3 on 1 Photo Radar Debate

Any good debate will have equal time for all sides, except this one. Try debating two scamera apologists by yourself while the moderator is clearly on the side of the opposition.

Two things clearly rang out from this debate.

1. Only the studies that he claims favor photo radar and red light cameras count to Professor Pendyala. He doesn’t even have time to consider any others.

2. The Mayor of Paradise Valley, Scott LeMarr knew the people of his town detest the scameras and that Redflex is a band of crooks. Now he knows that PV has more than its share of accidents because photo enforcement causes erratic driving.


…meanwhile, on one of those “main arteries”….

32 Responses to 3 on 1 Photo Radar Debate

  1. I think the prof needed to use the word “rigorous” a few more times.

  2. 4409 says:

    I want to know if he challenged them to a duel?

  3. 4409 says:

    Let me get this straight…he calls the liar a liar and the douche bag moderator says hey, “lets watch your language here” LMAO

    He did not necessarily disagree with the study he disagreed with the liar.

    I’m going to have to register PendyalaFRAUD.com 🙂

  4. Alucard says:

    Sounds like a rigorous lie by a rigorous liar….

  5. shawnshekari says:

    It’s interesting that Professor Rigorous asks to “study” the intersection statistics so that he can spin them to show that the camera’s weren’t at fault. Impartial rigorous analysis anyone?

  6. photoradarscam says:

    It would have been great to challenge Prof. Rigorous by asking him if other engineering measures like extending yellow light times, doing a speed study and fixing speed limits, might yield better results and achieve natural compliance.

    • We did that after the debate. He still wouldn’t really take time to consider our arguments. He just kept pointing to his packets of info. Typical engineer. I have several of them in my family and they basically think they know everything about everything.

    • photoradarscam says:

      One thing I disagree with though is that speed cameras do slow traffic down, but to conlcude that this is safer is far fetched. The slowdown is only temporary and disrupts traffic flow. And if going slower is safer, then why not lower all speed limits to 20? AZ DOT agrees that the 85th percentile speed is the safest, and also says the following at http://www.azdot.gov/highways/traffic/Speed.asp

      “Contrary to popular belief, speed in itself is not a major cause of accidents. In fact, there is a consensus of professional opinions that many speed-related accidents result from both excessively low and high speeds.”

      “It is accepted within the traffic engineering profession that there is a demonstrated need to produce as much uniformity as possible in the traffic flow and to eliminate the so-called speed trap. A speed trap may be defined as a street or road which is wide enough, straight and smooth enough, and sufficiently free of visibility limiting obstructions to permit driving a certain speed, but where the law nevertheless calls for a much lower speed.”

  7. photoradarscam says:

    Court rules against Redflex and Mukilteo will get to vote on cameras:

  8. Beau Jangles says:

    I see Shawn is still stroking the sheriff 🙂

  9. LoneWolf says:

    I vote Shawn for gov.. he’s passionate over this issue and he doesn’t suffer from brain farts during debates. Good job Shawn! Should’ve asked the professor for his papers…

  10. Dr Jett says:

    The “engineer” is justifing his job as an engineer and apparently has some connection to the studies that he rigorous defends. The current form of law enforcement including photo radar causes an extra 10,000 to 15,000 deaths per year in America. Why? It is all based on profit for the cops and the organizations and cities that they represent.
    Source: The Best Highway Safety Practices Institute
    bhspi.org Shawn did a great job, but the “engineer” sounded like a plant hired by the mayor to prove his point. The mayor should be concerned about everyone else getting a larger share of the money than his city. Why would a city continue to operate in the red so that Redflex and the State make all of the money at the expense of his city? I would suggest a recall of the mayor if I lived in PV.

    • What would happen if you saw a 3D illusion of a young girl chasing a ball across the street near a school?

      A Canadian safety group hopes you’d slow down and think twice about speeding through a school zone. Critics of the image say it might scare drivers and lead to accidents.

      Either way, she’s got your attention, which is the point, said a spokesman for Preventable, a British Columbia-based safety awareness group behind the stunt”

      **So if you slow down or swerve into the other lane and cause an accident, either way it gets your attention.**

    • Dr Jett says:

      How come we don’t hear one work about driver training? I would be willing to set up a test course to increase driver awareness for a moderate fee of course;just like everyone else in government. I would bet that 90 % of the drivers would flunk my course the first time out. Why? Because driver training teaches the very basics. Like most drivers, I learned the hard way that I needed more training when I first started driving especially on a motorcycle. I would bet that we could reduce accident rates by 50% with accident avoidance and high speed reality training. It would be a closed circuit class like you see used to train drivers protecting VIPS. If you get too old to pass my test, then retire near a bus line and save the lives of the rest of the country. Or we could have a state reserved for lackluster drivers so that they only hurt each other.

    • photoradarscam says:

      I’ve read about this before. The thing is – they can paint similar 3D illusions of speed bumps, which I think would work much better.

  11. Stacey says:

    Cook County Scum Bags- Boycott

    A contract set for approval at Wednesday’s County Board meeting would award a uniform deal at the Juvenile Temporary Detention Center in Chicago to Progressive Industries at a cost of almost $839,000. A lower bid for more than $814,000 from Uniforms Manufacturing Inc. was rejected, and a letter sent to the board specifically cites the county’s Boycott Arizona Resolution as cause.


    On the same day they approved the boycott, county board members awarded a contract for red light cameras to an Arizona company, with proponents saying they already had negotiated the deal before the boycott was raised

    • Can he run for Gov of AZ?

    • Dr Jett says:

      He should have gotten a degree in public speaking. He looks like he studied Hitler’s oratory performances, but just didn’t have the charisma necessary to pull it off. I didn’t know if he was going to start crying or have to get placed in a straight jacket to calm him down. Even if he has a good message, I would bet on him losing because he appears to be a lunatic.

  12. L. Davis says:

    Re: Blowing up talivans

    I got 1800, anyone beat that?

  13. Sacul200 says:

    This blog is getting popular, wow.. im a fan

  14. y8 says:

    only 2000 points

  15. y8 says:

    An interesting dialogue is value comment. I believe that you need to write extra on this topic, it might not be a taboo topic however typically people are not enough to talk on such topics. To the next. Cheers

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