Updated – Governor Brewer: Turn Off Those Sensors


What exactly is going on here? It appears the deflection technique is in full effect at the Governor’s office, DPS and ADOT.

CameraFRAUD volunteers have been inquiring about Redflex’s continued operation of speed sensors after their contract expired with all three offices. We have evidence that nobody is taking ownership of the issue.

In an AZCentral “article,” it was stated that until the equipment is required to be completely removed, Redflex will still be operating their speed sensors and capturing our data for their use.

The contract states that they have 120 days to remove their equipment after it expires, but nowhere does it say that they can continue to collect data. These are public roads that Redflex littered with their mechanical heaps and they’d have to have some type of permit or contract for the continued operation of them.

Is anyone in charge here in AZ? The governor’s office emailed us and said it was false information being passed around. Maybe they need to make a phone call to Redflex and politely tell them that they’ve over-stayed their welcome.

Unless they want to use that data to make a case that Shoba, Redflex’s Master of Panic, is right. She predicted that “dangerous and aggressive driving” will be on the uptick. We’re still unclear about how those sensors can detect dangerous and aggressive driving. Maybe they can let us in on that.

Leaving the camera piezo sensors on to supposedly just collect data is a sham: our freeways are already equipped with intelligent traffic system sensors, which monitor the speed of traffic every one half to one mile. The boys from down under are up to no good.

But Governor Brewer’s spokesman has been very public lately in saying that she still wants a citizens vote on Photo Ticketing for the entire state.

We have 120,000+ names of AZ voters that agree with that sentiment.

Actions speak louder than words Governor Brewer. You’ve seen that work mightily in your favor lately.

Let’s vote on it.

**UPDATED**

ADOT has responded to our inquiry by posting a comment. Here it is:

Tim Tait, ADOT says:

Just to provide a bit of clarification, when the photo enforcement program ended, ADOT ensured that the power was off at all camera locations and that all in-pavement loop detectors were disconnected. ADOT has independent sensors (in-pavement and acoustical) that help to count cars and track general traffic flow; these sensors provide data that computers convert into the traffic maps and the travel-time estimates. ADOT’s system and that installed for photo enforcement are totally separate.

ADOT will continue to monitor the process of removal of the camera infrastructure to ensure that it is done safely and within all standards, just as we would do for any other project.

I hope this helps to provide some clarity.

– Tim Tait, ADOT
ttait@azdot.gov
602-712-7070

If the power has been shut off to Redflex’s fixed cameras and loop detectors (speed sensors) the info provided for this article was false:

68 Responses to Updated – Governor Brewer: Turn Off Those Sensors

  1. oh my says:

    and nowhere in the contract does it say they can’t collect data.

  2. Sure says:

    So, who authorized them to continue collecting data? DPS says ADOT did. ADO says they don’t have a contract with Redflex. Why Has DPS tried to deceive us by claiming the equipment is off?

  3. kandaris says:

    REDFLEX does not have an *exception* from the law. There is no legal authority granted by the State of Arizona for the existing equipment to be operational in ANY way. It would be as if I just simply decided to erect cameras on the side of the highway to collect information for my own use. There certainly ARE laws that say I can’t, and they (RedFlex) are no different.

  4. oh my says:

    You guys will think up any reason to argue this.
    I bet if they turned the sensors off, you guys would start arguing that they did that because they didn’t want the public to see what the reality of speeding is after the camera’s turned off.
    Either way, on or off, ya’ll would have complained about it.

    • kandaris says:

      …uhmm, what is it you don’t get about “The cameras are coming down…”? That means *down*. We don’t give a hoot what else they do with them we do not want them operational on Arizona roads in any way. Period. Just in case you were still confused.

    • reason says:

      You fail.

      At ADOT we have our own ground sensors for detecting not only average vehicle speed but also how heavy traffic is.

      IMHO Redflex wants to gather as much data as they can so they can twist and distort it… they’ll scream how many cars have been “detected” going over 100MPh now verses with the cameras, when in practicality legitimate speed surveys are always averaged.

      And one more thing… don’t tear up the blacktop too badly when you finally do remove your sensors.

      • 4409 says:

        I think they were using ADOT’s(OUR) sensors all along but I’m not 100% sure on that.

        • Malfeasant says:

          i would say no. the sensors in the road that are not connected to cameras are a different style, they’re generally closer to square, and one per lane. the ones hooked up to cameras are two per lane (the time difference between the two is how they gauge the speed) and rectangular. i don’t think adot cares as much about speed as they do about volume, so the single sensors are sufficient.

  5. Stacey says:

    ADOT was called yesterday and today. Hopefully, they will call back soon.

  6. Dr Jett says:

    Oh My, Chad Dornsife, Executive Director of Best Highway Safety Practices Institute, explained how the 50 states are violating the Federal Laws and the US Constitutional rights of all Americans. The State of Nevada dropped the traffic ticket case against him for speeding when he took them to court first to show how the state was violating the laws. Speeding is not the safety problem; Illegal law enforcement to garner revenue is the safety problem. Read this case and you can get a free education about speeding and traffic laws as they effect the USA. The State of Nevada dropped the ticket and wouldn’t prosecute further. http://files.meetup.com/1275333/NV_10_beatty_dornsife_mtsf.pdf

  7. Stacey says:

    DPS says the sensors and cameras both belong to Redflex.

  8. The public is willing to chip in and take the cameras out. AZ has a great sense of community!

    http://twitter.com/deadpool96/status/19278412856

  9. photoradarscam says:

    If they won’t take them down, how about we take them down for them?😉

  10. Just to provide a bit of clarification, when the photo enforcement program ended, ADOT ensured that the power was off at all camera locations and that all in-pavement loop detectors were disconnected. ADOT has independent sensors (in-pavement and acoustical) that help to count cars and track general traffic flow; these sensors provide data that computers convert into the traffic maps and the travel-time estimates. ADOT’s system and that installed for photo enforcement are totally separate.

    ADOT will continue to monitor the process of removal of the camera infrastructure to ensure that it is done safely and within all standards, just as we would do for any other project.

    I hope this helps to provide some clarity.

    – Tim Tait, ADOT
    ttait@azdot.gov
    602-712-7070

    • oh my says:

      So which is it?
      The sensors are on collecting data or ADOT shut off power to all systems and disconnected the loops?
      Ya’ll got two different contrasting things going on here.

      • Sorry – I was trying to answer too many questions at the same time.

        1) Redflex installed a system. That system is now totally deactivated and will be removed by Redflex.

        2) To address the speculation of earlier comments, there was never a sharing of data collection equipment between ADOT and Redflex. The systems were always separate and independent.

        3) While photo enforcement has ended, ADOT’s Intelligent Transportation System, basically traffic management technologies, remains active. The Intelligent Transportation System has been in place for many years. It collects very different data than what photo enforcement collected. I did want to acknowledge that there were two systems in place; now, it is only ADOT’s system monitoring traffic volumes and flow.

        ADOT’s role in the overall program is limited, but I’ll answer whatever questions I can.

        -Tim Tait, ADOT
        ttait@azdot.gov
        602-712-7070

        • oh my says:

          If the system belongs to DPS via Redflex, why was it ADOT that cut the power? Wouldn’t that be Redflex’s responsibility?

          • Great question — in-ground infrastructure becomes the state’s property in instances like this, usually to prevent roadway damage or roadside safety problems. The program ended and ADOT took control of those in-ground elements. Everything above ground belongs to Redflex and will be removed, with ADOT inspectors monitoring for safety compliance.

            -Tim Tait, ADOT
            ttait@azdot.gov

        • The point here is that ADOT shut off the power to all of Redflex’s equipment. They can no longer monitor traffic, speed etc. Only ADOT has their own monitoring equipment working.

          I found your answer to be very clear.

          That goes against what the AZCentral article says came from the company.

          Bart Graves of DPS also seemed to have false info, as heard in one of the videos.

          It seems that Redflex/DPS is the source of all the false information, which surprises nobody.

          • oh my says:

            Then it needs to be asked if ADOT informed DPS and Redflex that they were gonna cut their power, because it seems that Redflex and DPS didn’t lie like you insinuate, but were not aware that ADOT was gonna cut their power.

        • Walter says:

          Correct me if I’m wrong. But doesn’t the law state that if a photo radar camera is NOT in use that it has to have a bag placed over it. And the signs removed or also covered? The signs are down. But I don’t see any black bags as REQUIRED by LAW.

          • Tim Tait/ADOT says:

            No – I am not aware of any requirement for bagging the camera heads. The signs, as per the law, we all removed by Redflex crews overnight when the program ended. ADOT replaced some of the photo signs with new “buckle-up” signs, making use of the posts that were installed.

            -Tim Tait, ADOT
            ttait@azdot.gov

    • B says:

      Tim, thanks for being willing to take the time to answer and clarify this issue for all of us readers. We appreciate it.🙂

  11. Stacey says:

    Thanks, Tim. Also, tell the head honcho we are going to stop his toll roads. Bwhahaha.

    • There will be a lot of discussion before toll roads become a reality. We are just at the very front stages of exploring this process. Stay tuned… but this isn’t something on the immediate horizon. There is a lot of work to be done before we even look at feasible project types.

      -Tim Tait, ADOT

  12. Stacey says:

    Thanks again for your time, Tim. Do you think they would turn HOV lanes into toll lanes?

  13. Christine says:

    I think the public would be willing to front the money for some bright orange tarp bags that say “NOT IN SERVICE” to put over the top of the cameras until Redflex can remove them. Who’s with me?

    I’ve noticed the signs that say “Photo Enforcement Zone” are gone, but some people don’t know the cameras are off and are still braking for them. Bags over the cameras would end that completely!

    • There’s a lot of extra photo radar money in the clean elections fund now that it’s been withheld from the Nov election.

      Maybe some of it could be used to buy some fancy scamera head bags with AZ flags on them.

  14. oh my says:

    No, the public wasn’t even willing to pay up when they new they were guilty of breaking a law.
    There’s also the fact that half of the news media was reporting the camera’s were being turned off on 7/1 and the other half 7/15, so no doubt there’s alot of confusion out there. But since I still haven’t got a response from the whole ADOT bit, seems ADOT made the decision for everyone.

    • reason says:

      “No, the public wasn’t even willing to pay up when they new they were guilty of breaking a law.”

      Do I hear a tiny violin playing the worlds saddest song?

      BTW you can’t enforce the law by breaking it. The actions of Redflex and DPS become a long series of bad faith moves which enabled people to LEGALLY ignore their tickets do to ARS code being specific that tickets must be served, and not just mailed.

      Don’t blame the people for Redflex’s inadequacies.

  15. edostling says:

    Mr. Tait,

    Thank you for the reasonable and factual updates, I cannot fathom to explain how rare that is to find today.

    Is there any proposed timetable set up and/or deadline that ADOT has mandated the removal of this private(some say abandoned) property to be removed? If not I am sure we can form up some Camerafraud “adopt-a-highway” crews and remove this trash, safely and without incident.

    • Tim Tait/ADOT says:

      The permit allows for 120 days after the end of the program to remove all infrastructure. That means everything must be out in November, but it could be done sooner. They have quite a bit of work to do to remove the installed infrastructure (like concrete foundations), adhere to highway safety standards, and replace landscaping in some locations.

      -Tim Tait, ADOT
      ttait@azdot.gov

      • edostling says:

        Thanks for the clarification Tim, I was wondering how much wiggle room they had with that process. After the 120 days; I assume it becomes the job of ADOT to clean up the mess Redflex leaves, another burden on the taxpayers.

        /makes reservation for pipe cutter and jackhammer for oct 30, a scamera would make a fine wedding gift to myself

      • Malfeasant says:

        at redflex’s cost i hope? i personally am rubbing my hands with glee thinking that redflex will have to shell out their money (which i did nothing to help them earn) to remove these fixtures…

  16. photoradarscam says:

    Now they’ve cancelled the study on the cameras because – surprise surprise – they didn’t collect traffic volume data. Redflex probably wanted another sham study that didn’t take into account important facotrs like oh, I don’t know, how many cars are on the road?

    http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=12861286

  17. LoneWolf says:

    Personally, I think the research scam was stopped dead in its tracks because they discovered how quickly we were to expose the motive behind their study.

    • oh my says:

      So,
      I asked if ADOT informed DPS and Redflex that they were gonna cut the power to the camera sites. So far the question has been avoided.

      • LoneWolf says:

        Why you asking me? Call them and find out… Is it not typical for the government right hand to be clueless about what the left hand is doing? Stacey pretty much proved that point with her phone calls.

      • LoneWolf says:

        I just noticed your question was answered by Tim.

  18. Stacey says:

    I am going to go “bag” me a camera head. lol

  19. […] In case you missed it, CameraFRAUD volunteers had to inquire high and low regarding a statement in the local paper regarding the cameras being left on to “document traffic speeds” past the expiration of the contract. […]

  20. Nice Old Granny says:

    Tim, you know darn well that the cameras are streaming data to RedFlex and to Homeland Security ALTIC fusion centers in Arizona.

    You know darn well that the 24/7 surveillance of law abiding citizens and the tax expenditure to do so continues.

    You know darn well that as soon as the election is over, the Governor fully intends to renew the contract either with Redflex or to enter into one with ATS.

    So, stop the nonsense. And tell the truth.

    • reason says:

      Unless you know something others don’t, the cameras do appear to be off.

      The “hot” LED inside the scamera head which indicates it’s online is out in every camera I checked, so unless RF is doing some insidious black ops (which I wouldn’t be too surprised) I think its safe to say they’re off.

      If you have information proving otherwise, you need to post it here so it can be checked out ASAP!🙂

    • oh my says:

      wow,
      I think this old Granny has outdone CF in the paranoia field and that’s hard to do! Tim is telling the truth, well, I still don’t believe ADOT told DPS and Redflex that they were gonna cut the power… but ya, the power is cut, that’s no lie.

    • Nice Old Granny says:

      Just like when your cell phone is not transmitting no one can hear you on it. Oooops. But then you have the FBI admitting in mainstream media that they can in fact listen in on what is going on in the vicinity of a cell phone that you think is not currently transmitting. In other words, neither of you know what you are talking about.

      Take the cameras DOWN. Stop spending tax money on spying on law abiding American citizens.

      • oh my says:

        I’ll have ADOT come down and take the battery (without telling you) out of your cellphone. We will see if the FBI can listen in on you then.
        You know the FBI is watching you through your computer right? That webcam your not using is actually on, their watching you, you better put some tinfoil over it…

        • Nice Old Granny says:

          Ever heard of a capacitor, jack@ss?

          Apparently not.

          • Malfeasant says:

            hahahahahaha what do you know about electronics? i’ll wager i know more than you, since i have been known to etch my own circuit boards from time to time and fiddle around with microcontrollers. capacitors don’t hold a lot of power, if they did, we wouldn’t need batteries- the trick is, capacitors are far more efficient than batteries (in terms of power in vs. power out). but a capacitor that could power a cell phone’s transmitter for any significant period of time would be nearly as big as the phone itself.

  21. Joe Manna says:

    I enjoyed the investigative element put into this piece. And not only that, it got RESULTS!

    ADOT isn’t really as evil as Redflex made them out to be and glad they maintain that and shared their insights within the comments.

    Redflex, for the lose.

  22. Nice Old Granny says:

    This one is easy to solve: one of those big canvass bags padlocked over the cameraheads. Then, if the cameras are not streaming surveillance, no one in the government will care.

    I’ll give you 10 to 1 odds, the government comes to cut down the bag.

    Hmm… why. surveillance

  23. jury nullification says:

    When a private company feels like it is above the law they pretend to enforce, tyranny will continue. What about their masquerding as law enforcement officers while driving D.P.S. striped vehicles(class 6 felony offence). They are gorging our elected officials with their dirty money and lies. Where does it end.

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