All They Want To Do Is Take Your Money… and Car!


Our favorite Redflex/Arizona Republic corp-media hybrid drone (“reporter”) Michael Ferraresi covers the City of Phoenix’s new scheme to use intrusive license plate recognition in combination with watch lists of those suspected of not paying parking tickets, court fees, or whatever else the city can make up as they go along.

Court officials said the cameras could provide the most efficient way to

Hayley Adamson, 16, was killed by a police officer driving 94 MPH responding to a false ALPR hit.

collect unpaid parking tickets, rather than spending money on expensive legal action in court. “This is all uncollected revenue for the city,” said Dianna Noli-Hill, the Phoenix Municipal Court administrator working with police on the pilot program.

What could possibly go wrong? After all, who needs due process (“expensive legal action in court”) when you can just steal private property and hold it for ransom.

51 Responses to All They Want To Do Is Take Your Money… and Car!

  1. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    another case of CF not revealing the entire truth… this unfortunate death DID NOT EVEN HAPPEN IN THE USA… no ..it was the UK !!! why must CF spend 3/4th of its posts and links on things that do not happen within our borders… and in most cases across the atlantic!!!!!!!!!

    now…as a parent… i have to wonder what she was doing out at almost midnight!!!

    if this occured in the states…. and the officer had a call about a possible ALPR hit…. and he did not respond in a timely fashion, you people would be up in arms if something tragic happened….. with CF its damned if you do and damned if you do!!!

    • camerafraud says:

      Lab barfed: “this unfortunate death DID NOT EVEN HAPPEN IN THE USA… no ..it was the UK”

      Oh, carry on then. Those across the pond must not be as “human” as us who are stateside. Just look at the queen!

      In all seriousness, you missed the point. No technology is perfect, especially ALPR/ANPR. Wrong cars will be towed. Innocent drivers will get hassled. And who’s to say today’s list of “late parking tickets” won’t change into tomorrow’s list of “Jan Brewers’ political enemies?”

      ALPR isn’t smart police work. It’s a lazy revenue grab that has ZERO, zilch, nothing to do with public safety.

      If someone has a late parking ticket, send it to collections. Just because “government” is due a late bill doesn’t excuse their initiation of force against the life or property of an individual.

      And as always, thanks for your input.

      • Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

        i missed nothing…. in fact i exposed what you wanted to cover up…. whats going on in other countries….means nothing here…. but in every thread you or your misguided pupils just feel compelled to provide a link to something drastic and sinister happening in a different land far far away!!

  2. Butihave Nothingto Worryabout says:

    Why don’t all of you cf’ers crawl back under your rocks.. It is over and you lost… Face it!!! Give it up!!!

    I know I feel safer with your loss!

  3. Jury Nullification says:

    You two are obviously punks from Redflex…

  4. alucard says:

    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

    • Butihave Nothingto Worryabout says:

      Blah, blah, blah blah blah.

      Heard it before. Never has been proven that was actually uttered by the early politicians.

  5. Don Cordell says:

    Go back to watching sports, Americans don’t have the gutt to fight City Hall. Our government tells us so, that we do not have any Bill of Rights, submit total control to the police, don’t defend American borders, trust your bank, trust Congress, Trust Obama. Sickening isn’t it? When will Americans stand up for Civil Rights? Parking fee’s are an insult, we pay for the streets, they are our streets. Tax, tax, tax, that’s all we are here for. Taxed Enough Already? Remember “WE the People” rule, let your politicians know who runs this nation. The People.

    • B says:

      On the subject of “The People” and not having the guts to fight City Hall. Some people still do have the guys, but they’ve generally lost interest in going after the cameras.

      Look at the disparity between the fundraising efforts of the governor’s office over SB1070’s legal defense vs. Camerafraud’s drive to fight the cameras… The state’s electorate ponied up almost $500,000 IN A MATTER OF SEVERAL DAYS to support SB1070’s legal battle. OTOH, tt takes weeks for Camerafraud to come up with a few thousand for a state fair booth. Yes, it was the governor’s office doing it, which gave it a lot more credibility than any citizen’s group could ever hope to have, but it’s telling to me that too many Arizonans don’t give a damn about the cameras for whatever reason, well-thought out or not.

      I bet that if you put up a Lindsay Lohan “get out of jail” fund, you’d get more money donated to it than you would because of the press that media whore gets…

      Either something’s not right in the marketing of the Camerafraud cause (due to a lack of real money), or there is something really wrong with our state.

      BTW, for those of you who don’t watch The Daily Show – http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-july-8-2010-marilynne-robinson – Watch the 2nd segment…

      What a f**king shortsighted hatchet job that was…

      We don’t need AZ reps like Seel making fools out of our cause, doing a terrible job of explaining our point of view in such a stupid way (at least that’s how the editors of the footage made him look – foolish and shortsighted).

      AND The Daily Show even had that dumbf**k Frank Hines quoting the one-sided, “correlation without causation” fatality statistic from DPS (We’ve all punched holes enough holes in those stats to turn them into swiss cheese, but wow)…

      That report happened because The Daily Show writers want to attack the state over SB1070 and the “hypocrisy” involved, assuming that us anti-camera folk are screaming “OBEY THE LAW” over SB1070 out one side of our mouth while yelling, “Down with the cameras,” out the other.

      I’m sorry to rant, but man – that really pissed me off… I’m SICK AND TIRED of ignorantly being portrayed as a hypocrite and/or a lawbreaker in the media. I fully support SB1070 and I hate the speed camera system – and I’m not a hypocrite. Anyone putting those two issues in the same bucket should be intellectually embarrassed…

      • Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

        when will you people listen to me? nobody cares about the cameras and your efforts…. and B. let me help you out with perception…. for those who support the medical marijuana measure…people assume they want it to pass so they can smoke dope legally… for those that want the cameras removed .. it is so they can speed with less chance of getting caught….. its just the facts jack!!!

        • Dr Jett says:

          Uh, Duh LAB,
          Getting flashed doesn’t mean much. I haven’t received any photo radar tickets. The main issue that I’m concerned with is eroding the US Constitution by states seeking to rob the citizens under the color of law. The judge in SD ruled photo radar illegal according to the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution. Try reading that before you bite down on the foot that you just stuck in your mouth. Legalizing marijuana in all forms would provide a huge tax base that the government could use instead of trying to use safety as an excuse to create new forms of taxation without representation.

          • Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

            you have not received any tickets? does that mean you get flashed on a regular basis? a judge in SD..was that judge part of the supreme court? nope he wasnt.. and until those judges rule….. the opinions of other judges means nothing…. for every judge that rules against it.. there are 100 others that have no issues with it across the land… so . if there would be this huge tax base if pot was legal…. why has it not been legalized by now through our legislatures? i mean as you clowns claim….its all about money!! come on jett… come up with something witty for that answer…. or ignore it like you do all other questions directed to you….

          • B says:

            Don’t feed the troll, Dr. Jett…

          • Jury Nullification says:

            Weed yes, Scameras NO !!

        • Butihave Nothingto Worryabout says:

          That’s telling them Law.

          Don’t forget our date at the cf meeting.

  6. guttersn1pe says:

    I support ANPR technology when used appropriately. By that, I mean by law enforcement to detect criminal activity (i.e. stolen vehicles).

    But like so many good ideas, this one gets twisted to raise revenue. What’s next, overdue library books? Maybe Blockbuster can get in on it too and track me down for some late fees on a movie I rented.

    • Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

      most of the blockbusters have closed or are in the process of doing so….. looks like you get out of paying another debt….

  7. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    So Dean Martin, a CF member and anti safety advocate has given up his run for governor….. i think it is hillarious…. he hitched his horses to your wagon and in doing so……has failed in his attempt to be the governor…. just as CF has failed in their attempts…….. failure just seems to follow this group….

    • Giz says:

      Jan Brewer has so much support and momentum after cancelling the DPS redflex contract that he figured he had no chance.

      • Butihave Nothingto Worryabout says:

        Just wait til she gets re-elected. The cameras will be back and double of what is out there now. I know!

    • hahaaaaaahaha says:

      You’re delusional… a loose-knit group of crazy activists and punk kids with zero funding cost the state of Arizona its most ambitious money grab ever: the statewide photo enforcement contract (Source: Redflex securities filings with the ASX).

      Hope you’re in for the long haul, LAB. Two years ago there were ZERO dedicated opposition groups to the cameras, now there are at least SIX nationwide.

      Automated enforcement is the municipal snake oil of the 21st century, and the people are gonna RIIIIISE UP and stop it.

      And BTW lab, for being all about “safety” perhaps you should cast a critical eye on DPS for their DIRECT ROLE in causing Doug Georgianni’s violent death. [Source: Ms. Georgianni’s survivor lawsuit.]

      • Butihave Nothingto Worryabout says:

        The cameras will be back and it will take more than a puny petition drive to get rid of them next time.

        Give it up you losers. You will never win.

  8. LoneWolf says:

    Even though he claimed he’d rid the state of the photo scam, he wouldn’t have had my vote anyway because I don’t think he’s trustworthy… Getting rid of the scam would’ve meant losing extra money to spend.


    (Hilarious. got this from Reno’s website)

  9. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    CameraFRAUD.com

    Phoenix, AZ
    1,121 Volunteers

    Welcome to CameraFRAUD. We are united in our effort to get rid of every speed camera, red light camera, and photo radar van here in Arizona and across the country. We were suc…

    Check out this Meetup Group →

    she doesnt support 1070!!! hey andrea…. who wrote most of your views? it sure was not you….

    on another note…. if she is elected… that mean she is “big brother” ?

    her thoughts on border security seem to be passive… the time for being nice about border crossings is over… it is time that aliens take the message back home that we are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore…. andrea wants to pat them on the head and say dont do it again…. she also mentions nothing about the drug runners and mexican mobs killing american citizens….

    i am left to wonder how many independence days she celebrates and how many more flags she owns and displays that are not the red, white and blue!!

  10. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    CameraFRAUD.com

    Phoenix, AZ
    1,121 Volunteers

    Welcome to CameraFRAUD. We are united in our effort to get rid of every speed camera, red light camera, and photo radar van here in Arizona and across the country. We were suc…

    Check out this Meetup Group →

    I have some questions for YOU Lane…. how fast were you going? are you guilty?

    this clown brad left out the most important part… besides doing all that other crap so you can speed and endanger others…. you now need to hide in your house for 120 days…. dont answer the door and dont go out in the daylight…this means you need to quit your job … and forget going to the grocery store… you will need to live on water…. ALL BECAUSE YOU CANT BE A STAND UP PERSON AND ADMIT YOU MADE A MISTAKE!!! and then not let it happen again….

  11. Dr Jett says:

    LAB
    Do you understand the term illegal service? That is all that is important. If you are a STAND UP GUY, then you can pay everyones tickets that make you so butt sore or just quit ranting about how ignorant you are and you won’t have to keep getting a boot in the ass.

    • Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

      jett

      so what comes first? the illegal speeding? or the illegal service?

      why do you feel the need to answer a question for someone else….when you have not responded to others i have left for you?

      allow me to make it easier for you!!

      these potential politicians you get paid to collect signatures for…. do you make sure they are not accepting clean elections money and do not support PR? or are you like shawn and profit from things you rail against? as in mandatory automobile insurance!!!

  12. Steve says:

    CameraFraud is absolutely right about it’s stated purposes, and the need to resist automated ticketing, and the government’s use of technology to track and fault the people for the purpose of making profits off of them. An important loss occured to our entire country, when the initiative didn’t make it to the ballot. Photo radar would have doubtlessly been voted out state-wide, and an example would have been set for the other states to follow.

    At the same time, I know why the movement couldn’t get enough signatures to get their initiative on the ballot. Instead of drawing up an official charter (and maybe even incorporating), copyrighting their trademarks, setting rules and codes of conduct for those who would officially belong to the organization, finding ways to make more money (ie: one use for the trademark), and doing several other critical balancing measures that paint a clearer picture of the organization and what it stands for to the mainstream public, many of the grass-roots elements were left behind in a mire. That awsome resource dissolved in to more of a loose affiliation, with less commitment, than an organized membership. Emphasis was put on gathering signatures instead of growing the organization. Many hands make light work. Critical volunteerism couldn’t thrive without certain critical organizational pieces being put in place first, and those critical things would have grown the organization. The organization needed to be run like any business (instead of a small click of friends that value only one job function – signature gathering), even if the work was being done exclusively through volunteers. Those who gathered signatures (which didn’t include myself), worked a lot harder than they needed to (and still couldn’t succeede), than if more people would have seen the organization as mainstream, and contributed both time and money, as they recently did after a call by the Governor on support of SB1070.

    I wanted to contribute, but didn’t want to protest along side of some people who were wearing the mask of an infamous terrorist (as a few people were doing at the protests – regardless of what they claimed it stood for). Some people in the organization seemed to have their own agendas, which were generally more anti-government (a little on the scarry side)and self promoting in some cases, without focusing so much on the main goal of gaining main-stream public support (not just telling those who did show up to go get signatures). Certain critical types of people were doubtless, scared away. I’m was unable to find a copy of the “Oblong Report” that should contain critical data, that Shawn referred to in his broadcast debate with the infamous Jay Hailer. Two lies don’t equal the truth. The organization, and some high-caliber potential new members, are always watching. The creepy masks from members in the organization in the televised news clips of the debate didn’t help either.

    I hope that the organization can re-group, and put some of the critical pieces in place, because the stated mission is good, and so are a lot of the people who worked hard to support it. My support (ie: some research and a hugh amount of web-postings, (mostly on the meetup site) and my attempts to change how the organization was functioning), were not valued. Maybe we can get it right the next time.

    • Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

      steve…..cf made enough noise in the media for people who wanted to get involved could do so…. yet there was never much of a flow of new blood…. nope…. just the same old clowns in the circus…. they failed because not enough citizens in az care about the cameras….. so just as it was assumed by cf volunteers that they would collect enough signatures….. it is also assumed by you people that if the initiative had made it on the ballot it would pass…. based on the apathy state wide for the cameras… i would say it would not have passed!!!

    • Steve says:

      Law A. Bidingcitizen – It takes a lot more than making noise in the media to be successful on a state-wide level. The reason that so many of the local city-wide initiatives like the one in Mukilteo Washington are so successful, is that a group of friends getting together are enough people to make it happen there, but that’s not scalable to the numbers that are required for a state-wide initiative.

      In any volunteer organization, people all have different skills, and different contributions that they’re willing to make. A few people took the petitions to work or to their other social organizations and were amazed how fast those sheets got filled up. Those who gained the most respect in the organization volunteered their time to stand in parking lots, and approached strangers. Both methods are honorable, but which would you rather do (assuming that you believed in the cause)? Which method is most effectively duplicated on a larger scale?

      When you are building an organization where your motives are being questioned by police agencies (who are making a profit)and powerful commercial interests (who are making a profit), and the liberal media is most often biased against you, and yet you still need to bring more people in to volunteer their time and credibility, you want something that’s as crystal clear legitimate as possible. You need a marketing communications team, transparency, rules, a known hierarchy (beyond just a single leader), some kind of feedback system (a team) to initiate change when what you’re doing isn’t working fast enough. You need effective resources available to you from the community, to implement those changes. You need countless other people to fill critical organizational roles. Redflex and the DPS have these things, Camera Fraud doesn’t. No one in the organization valued these things enough to put something, anything, in to place in many of these critical areas. They thought that the efforts of a few individuals would be enough to power out the needed signatures. That doesn’t mean they were wrong about automated ticketing. It just means that they weren’t able to take advantage of many valuable resources that were available to them. Still, they almost succeeded.

      If you believe that this profiteering shenanigan that our state government and the a foreign commercial interest pulled on the people of Arizona and those who visited here is appropriate under our system of government, then I’ll never be able to change your mind at this point. It’s sad that the people will not be heard in the voting booth on this topic, because we’ll never really know for sure how things would have gone until the people are heard. Those who support photo radar are breathing a sigh of relief now. If you think that the good guys have won, think again. This issue goes infinitely further than just those darn speeding and red light tickets.

      • Butihave Nothingto Worryabout says:

        You lost!!! Give up!!! The cameras will be back in greater numbers and your loser clown group will not be able to stop them this time.

        GIVE IT UP LOSERS!!!

      • Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

        you and your kind always read the worst into any situation…..honestly,i feel sorry for you.. that was a hell of a rant.. in response… they were not close to success… when you consider it took 23 months to collect what they did to come up 34,000 short is not close… grass roots organizations are just that.. and have little of all the things you mentioned… what you described was a government…. i dont care what the reasons for the cameras…. they are working to slow people down and are saving lives….

        • Butihave Nothingto Worryabout says:

          What did everyone expect from these losers. They cant even organize properly, lied to their members and argue among themselves all the time. I am surprised they are able to find the bathroom and use toilet paper.

    • B says:

      “I wanted to contribute, but didn’t want to protest along side of some people who were wearing the mask of an infamous terrorist (as a few people were doing at the protests – regardless of what they claimed it stood for). ”
      *********************
      That, along with the people wearing V for Vendetta masks, etc.

      These members of the group absolutely did NOT get the political side of this struggle.

      There absolutely needed to be more common sense leadership at the top. Shawn Dow did try to do this at times, kicking people out of the state fair who were there selling V masks or trying to push other propositions (who were mooching off of CF funded zones), but that wasn’t nearly enough.

      A TRULY UNIFIED theme – and a little less of the immature, “monkey mask” wearing at public events (which the press eats UP – and Redflex loves to see) – is vital for the long-term viability and attractiveness to the average citizen.

    • Dr Jett says:

      The reason that we didn’t get enough signatures is that we had too many members like Steve that were members to blog only. Blogging doesn’t do much except attract people like LAB who like to argue. You were creeped out by masks because you are a punk. Go join a knitting circle.

      • Steve says:

        As I recall Dr. Jett, you were one of the people who were wearing the Guy Fawkes mask at the CF events. As I recall, you told me publicly then, that my contributions didn’t have any value, because I wasn’t out collecting signatures like you were. Your posts about the mask issue were so angry that several of the women berated your aggressive words, while saying that I had been “completely professional”. It’s not the mask that creaps people out. It’s what comes with it. I’m sorry to see that the leaders of this organization can’t understand what this issue alone is costing them when it comes to public image, and loss of support. Maybe if you disparage enough of the people who aren’t cold calling signatures like the real contributors do, those people will magically embrace the organization and its operating values, and start doing what they’re told to do. Maybe if I wear a mask, I won’t need to be ashamed to stand next to you at the events. How’s that for a successful volunteer organization? Who’s the punk? Shawn and Stacey have my contact information. If they want to turn things around for the organization, we can sit down in person and have a civil discussion about proper organization building.

        • reason says:

          LOL: “proper organization building” = a top-down collective.

          When people are empowered to do as they please, whether its wearing a mask or collecting signatures, is where success is.

          Having a top-down hierarchy results in failures such as what was experienced with the statewide ballot initiative, and those errors will not be repeated.

  13. Steve says:

    One reason that Shawn had such troubbles with this, is that the moderator of the meetup site (the volunteer’s primary source for information and communications with eachother), made a policy decision for the entire organization. After some healthy debate over the topic of the Guy Fawkes masks (same as V for Vendetta), and a few threats from the people who were wearing the masks, the moderator re-iterated the mask wearer’s rights to wear the masks at official Camera Fraud events. Then she deleted several of those discussion threads and declared an end to that topic being discussed there any more. The next day, I and a few others quitely resigned our memberships there.

    If this were the American Red Cross, or the United Way, these guys would have been out on their asses within seconds, the first time these particular masks came out. Just because someone isn’t on the payroll doesn’t mean that you can’t set conditions for their involvement with the organization. When you manage volunteers, you draw in what ever you’re willing to accept. If you accept the wrong things, others will be scared away.

    Shawn has done such amazing things with this organization. All it takes is one or two major things to cripple an organization. I think that the terms and extents of the organization’s willingness to take part in civil disobediance, would be a good thing to get agreement on, before the organization can go very far in the future. Regardless of a person’s real intent, there’s quite a difference between a message to the public from an organization that says “I’m not going to cooperate”, and quite another to a message that says “I might be the kind of person who blows things up if I don’t get my way”. Just because the person with the terrorist mask is friends of others in the organization, and says that it doesn’t really mean that, doesn’t cut it. Until the organization is willing to work on some of those kinds of details, I’m going to sit back and observe.

    • reason says:

      Terrorist masks? Seriously, lighten up. The only person making that connotation is you. Furthermore, there are no official “policy decisions.” CameraFRAUD is run entirely by volunteers and none of which (should) ever imply that they are in a hierarchy above someone else.

      • Steve says:

        I was not the only member of the group to identify the Guy Fawkws masks as a symbol of terrorism (and thus the deleted threads – it wasn’t pretty). It was several entire threads, not just my posts, that were deleted. The membership support for my contention actually shocked me at the time. You’re other comments here support my position. I think that your concept of volunteer management is in error. We can all be friends, and must treat eachother with equal respect, but that doesn’t preclude a structure, and accountability toward a central model for success. When you enter state politics against powerful government and commercial interests, your not in the amateur leagues any more.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

        • reason says:

          You’re clearly confusing the V for Vendetta mask (a mask based on a movie with a theme of resisting oppressive government) with Guy Fawkes himself, on which the movie was based.

          No one sees a Guy Fawkes mask and thinks “terrorist,” and anyone who does would strike me a someone so timid that they may need physical assistance crossing a busy street
          or, well… breathing.

          You also keep mentioning deleted threads on the Meetup… which is odd considering I have been here since the beginning and don’t recall any such drastic controversy. Obviously, no one is deleting your threads now, so the only reason why I can possibly think you insist on bringing it up it because you are an intelligent, well-spoken troll.

          And back to the mask and other “scary activism” tactics, there’s an old phrase regarding women and activism:

          “Very infrequently do polite women make history.”

          • Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

            welcome to TROLLville steve,,,,, next comes the accusations that you work for redflex or ats… how does it feel?

            yes i know at first there is anger…but then you realize you are dealing with clowns that expect their elected officials to act a certain way… but who do not hold themselves to that same level… I REALLY HATE HYPOCRITES!!

    • stopthetsa says:

      God, this guy sure DID bitch ALOT. He even said he didn’t collect signatures.

  14. Butihave Nothingto Worryabout says:

    Oooohh. How nice. Now the clowns are fighting among themselves. No wonder they failed and will continue to fail!

    • Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

      yes this is funny to see unfold… the clown posting as ” reason ” is quite frankly a vagina.. he-she claims they have been here since the beginning.. i dont recall anybody with that screen name from inception.. so you “reason”..are hiding your real screen name with another screen name..

      as for stacey….being the moderator of meet up… she is a bitch, has always been a bitch and will always be one…meetup boss is just down her bitch alley… if she doesnt like what you say…your words are erased and so are you…

  15. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    and how funny that andrea garcia slammed the administration after the failure of the signatures…. now she seems to have accepted OR solicited the help of CF to further her run for an az senate seat….. i wonder how andrea thinks this looks to people? is this the kind of deals she will make in office?

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