Redflex, ATS Running Out of Lobbyist Hacks

Winning isn’t enough for the folks of CameraFRAUD and ACAPR(Arizona Citizens Against Photo Radar) anymore.

Last night, ABC 15 gave us the opportunity to post a piece opposite to one written by a Lobbyist Group for Redflex and ATS, called SARA (Safer Arizona Roads Alliance). The group is funded by both companies.

Let’s just say that the talent pool is even more shallow these days. Those looking for an actual debate are going to yearn for the work of Jay Heiler and his alien hands.

Peters starts off her piece by asking and answering her own question with a one word answer. Very attention grabbing!

Incidentally, the cameras coming down is not just an idea, it happens to be a reality.

Next she starts in with the nanny-state rhetoric of “If they save even one life…” Unfortunately there are a lot of freedoms we could give up to save “just one life,” such as no longer being allowed to drive cars, or even leave our houses. That logic could go on forever, but you get the point. Joanna would probably be happier living in a place like Australia, for example.

Jay Heiler hands over lobbyist duties to Joanna Peters of SARA

Joanna, just like every other Redflex/ATS lobbyist is making her arguments under a completely false premise.  She claims the traffic surveillance ticketing cameras are saving lives, when the statistics do not support her claims. She also misses completely on the argument that speed is the cause of 1/3 of all accidents, with no data to back it up. Let’s take a look at some numbers from ADOT:

Exceeding the posted limit is shown to be a factor in less than 5% of crashes in Arizona for 2008. I don’t have a calculator out, but 5% doesn’t sound like 1/3. Maybe Joanna can do the math on it and get back to us. All the cameras can do, is (allegedly) measure  how much someone is over the posted limit. That, of course, is always in question, especially with the revelation that Redflex was using un-certified equipment for that brief 11 year period starting in the late 1990’s.

Another fun fact is that exceeding the posted limit is only observed on .48% of Arizona motorists. Yes that’s less than one half of 1%. Speeding doesn’t seem to be quite the problem Redflex, ATS, DPS and their Lobbyist friends make it out to be.

Joanna also identifies herself as a parent in the “essay” written for Channel 15 in an attempt to gain sympathy of the reader. None of these tactics are new by any means, but it would be nice to debate an issue without meaningless pandering and false statistics.

Maybe Jay Heiler can fill us all in on what he’s been up to lately, because mentoring his successors doesn’t appear to be on that list.

13 Responses to Redflex, ATS Running Out of Lobbyist Hacks

  1. I’d say her arguments “petered out” pretty quickly.

  2. justcurious says:

    These people make me sick her math is like the Milwaukee COUNTY SUPERVISOR who said AZ is not a border state with MEXICO.
    I wonder if these people are smokin crack.

    “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

  3. Will Kay says:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, my safety as a motorist is MY responsibility, not the responsibility of the state or any foreign corporation hell bent on making Arizona a zero tolerance big brother/nanny police state, tracking people wherever they go. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable, cameras DO NOT reduce accidents or make the roads “safer”. If you feel that unsafe that you can’t drive without cameras tracking you wherever you go, then DON’T DRIVE! It’s that simple. Without you on the roads it’ll give more room to other drivers and reduce fuel consumption and air pollution, a win-win-win situation.

  4. Stacey says:

    I too am a parent. I almost had someone slam into the back of my car in a camera zone as traffic was literally going 45 right before the camera. My son was in the backseat when we were almost hit. So, I’d like to thank the DPS for endangering my child with their cameras.

    • Pro-Camera says:

      You are blaming DPS for the the idiocy of the people driving behind you and not paying attention to traffic. Would you equally blame DPS if instead of a Camera, there was a police vehicle causing everyone to slow down?

      • And you’re saying that surveillance can prevent idiocy.

      • Alucard says:

        The traffic scamera setup is ill-equipped to enforce the spirit of the speed law in this state — that is, speed must be greater than reasonable or prudent to be in violation.

        Safety sure goes out the window if the scamera, set to flash at 11 mph over, decides not to flash when people are driving the speed limit through a severe rain or dust storm, or driving the speed limit on icy roads in Flagstaff. Such behavior is deemed by the scameras to be “safe” when we all know it is not. Also, speed limits are often set arbitrarily low (without the required traffic engineering study) in order to drive up revenue.

        Red light scameras can be manipulated to activate in dubious circumstances (e.g. camera goes active 2.7 seconds after the relevant light turns yellow), again in the name of revenue.

        We won’t go into the numerous instances of mechanical or s/w failure of scameras either (a la the trailer in Surprise AZ constantly flashing for no reason at all).

  5. From Joanna:

    “As a parent, I worry that every accident after the cameras go dark will be a preventable one. This cancellation could also trigger a potential backlash with lawsuits from victims’ families who are injured or lose a loved one in a traffic accident when the cameras go dark.”

    She uses the same phrase in two consecutive sentences. I’m wondering if they even have the resources to hire a proof reader over there at “SARA,” which I’m sure is just a back office at Redflex or ATS HQ.

    What about all the lawsuits coming from 11 years of illegal ticketing with un-certified Redflex equipment?

    What about the fact that nobody can sue the state for NOT having surveillance devices on the roads? There is no court in this country that would hear that case.

  6. Dr Jett says:

    Give Joanna a break. I’m sure there is a snake oil company out there that is looking for a shill to run up in front of the audience and proclaim how she is ‘cured’ with the help of their product. She can tell them what a good shill she was for Redflex.

  7. Mike Waters says:

    Where is Baghdad Bob now that we need him?

    “Cameras? What Cameras? I drove all the way to the airport this morning and never saw any cameras …”

  8. Will Kay says:

    Here’s another “If you don’t speed, you don’t have to worry about cameras” article for all the “perfect” drivers out there. Nearly 400 drivers were wrongly ticketed.

    RTA admits speed camera at fault

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