This Talivan Has a Tale to Tell

Sooo what happened here folks?

Smashed Talivan in Redflex Parking Lot

We know some Talivan drivers like to drink on the job. We’re pretty sure he got fired, but did they need to hire him back on?

In all seriousness, this looks severe and makes one wonder about where this Scam Van was when it sustained this type of damage.

Could it have been parked on the side of the road, causing temporary blindness of a motorist due to the scamera flash and was rear-ended?

We’re putting out a CameraFRAUD APB to anyone who saw what caused this damage.  Scameras are known to make the road more dangerous and this smells like another dirty little Redflex/DPS secret.


The below picture was taken earlier in the afternoon from a different angle, courtesy of PhotoRadarScam.

44 Responses to This Talivan Has a Tale to Tell

  1. Brent says:

    Wow, is this something the mainstream media and their friend Jeff King at DPS is choosing not to cover or talk about?

    Its all about safety folks.. Ssshhh..

  2. Sure says:

    Not exactly sure why the one fellow felt the need to to try block the photo.

  3. Sure says:

    Don’t the police departments have daily logs?

    • guttersn1pe says:

      I’m sure they have a report but it would be much easier to track down if you had the license plate number of the damaged vehicle. Any chance there’s a photo of that?

  4. photoradarscam says:

    @CameraFraudAZ beat me to writing this up. When I drove by after 5pm the talivan was gone. But I got these pictures earlier:

    • photoradarscam says:

      I must have gotten there before Glyph. After they chased me off, they moved the truck in front to try to block it (I’m guessing). Then I’m guessing that after they chased off Glyph, they moved it inside or had it hauled away.

      Kind of looks like it might be totaled with the frame bent like that.

  5. I can add those to the post ASAP with your permission.

  6. Glyph says:

    I was there about 2:30

  7. RPr says:

    where they putting on decals or taking them off?

  8. Sure says:

    Notice how they took the DPS stripe off?

  9. Sure says:

    Hell, how do we go about getting the video?

  10. steve D says:

    Has anybody alerted any of the news channels?

  11. keysersoze says:

    Did anyone happen to see the AEV number off the back bumper of the vehicle?

    • Glyph says:


    • keysersoze says:

      Whatever happened to the vehicle it happened just east of gilbert road on the 202 on 02/24/10 and was towed around 3am to the mesa dps yard. If anyone is still interested maybe you can find something out in mesa.

  12. Sure says:

    Photos from the golf tournament in Scottsdale. I have never seen so many people before. Also, we let people know about Linda Gray and her new bill. A number of people already dislike her.

    Phoenix, AZ
    1,122 Volunteers

    Welcome to CameraFRAUD. We are united in our effort to get rid of every speed camera, red light camera, and photo radar van here in Arizona and across the country. We were suc…

    Check out this Meetup Group →

  13. photoradarscam says:

    That’s one less talivan for the road. Considering the contract expires soon, I wonder if Redflex will bother to replace it?

  14. Sure says:

    Camerafraud Tuscon Video:

  15. Sure says:

    Notice how they are tinting the windows dark? If we did that we would get pulled over by a cop.

  16. WOW says:

    Phoenix, AZ
    1,122 Volunteers

    Welcome to CameraFRAUD. We are united in our effort to get rid of every speed camera, red light camera, and photo radar van here in Arizona and across the country. We were suc…

    Check out this Meetup Group →

    CameraFraud Civil War LOL

  17. Sure says:

    Yeah, big, big civil war! lol

    Eventually though, this frustration that people feel will overflow and the legislators (who are the real target) will get the brunt of it.

  18. There would almost certainly be a police report if there were a read end collision…which should be whomever hit the van’s fault. The other explanation would be hitting someone while backing up. Either way it is hard to imagine the DPS would not be on the scene and filing a report. FOIA.

  19. Camon says:

    Wait… those 2 vehicles have similar damage, but I dont see that blue AZDPS stripe along the side in the 1st pic as you do in the 2nd pic.

  20. john says:

    Last i checked, impersonating the police is a CRIME. A privately registered vehicle with Police logos is clearly violating the LAW !

    From Wikipedia:

    Police impersonation is an act of falsely portraying oneself as a member of the police, for the purpose of deception. In the vast majority of countries the practice is illegal and carries a custodial sentence.

    Impersonating a police officer is sometimes committed in order to assert police-like authority in order to commit a crime. Posing as a police officer enables the offender to legitimize the appearance of an illegal act, such as: breaking and entry, making a traffic stop, or detaining.

    Dressing up as a police officer in costume, or pretending to be a police officer for the purpose of play or a harmless prank toward an acquaintance is generally not considered a crime, provided that those involved recognize the imposter is not a real police officer, and the imposter is not trying to deceive those involved into thinking he/she is.

    The following impersonations class as the offence:

    Verbal indentification: The imposter announces to the unsuspecting victim that they are a police officer.
    Fake Badge or Warrant card: The imposter, though not in any special clothes, displays a police-like badge or identification card to the victim. Sometimes a real police officer will not even be able to differentiate between the real and fake badge, as some duplicates are very, if not exactly alike.
    Fake uniform: The imposter wears a uniform that looks very much like that of a police officer.

    Fake vehicle: The imposter places lights, decals, or other equipment on a personal vehicle to disguise it as a police car and enable the offender to make arrests or traffic stops.

    • john says:

      13-2006. Criminal impersonation; classification

      A. A person commits criminal impersonation by:

      1. Assuming a false identity with the intent to defraud another; or

      2. Pretending to be a representative of some person or organization with the intent to defraud; or

      3. Pretending to be, or assuming a false identity of, an employee or a representative of some person or organization with the intent to induce another person to provide or allow access to property. This paragraph does not apply to peace officers in the performance of their duties.

      B. Criminal impersonation is a class 6 felony.

  21. john says:

    A.R.S. 13-2311. Fraudulent schemes and practices; wilful concealment; classification

    A. Notwithstanding any provision of the law to the contrary, in any matter related to the business conducted by any department or agency of this state or any political subdivision thereof, any person who, pursuant to a scheme or artifice to defraud or deceive, knowingly falsifies, conceals or covers up a material fact by any trick, scheme or device or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing such writing or document contains any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry is guilty of a class 5 felony.

    B. For the purposes of this section, “agency” includes a public agency as defined by section 38-502, paragraph 6.

  22. john says:

    A.R.S. 13-2406. Impersonating a public servant; classification

    A. A person commits impersonating a public servant if such person pretends to be a public servant and engages in any conduct with the intent to induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely upon his pretended official acts.

    B. It is no defense to a prosecution under this section that the office the person pretended to hold did not in fact exist or that the pretended office did not in fact possess the authority claimed for it.

    C. Impersonating a public servant is a class 1 misdemeanor.

  23. john says:

    A.R.S. 13-2906. Obstructing a highway or other public thoroughfare; classification

    A. A person commits obstructing a highway or other public thoroughfare if, having no legal privilege to do so, such person, alone or with other persons, recklessly interferes with the passage of any highway or public thoroughfare by creating an unreasonable inconvenience or hazard.

    B. Obstructing a highway or other public thoroughfare is a class 3 misdemeanor.

  24. Sorry this all sounds good, but it is not illegal for anyone to slap DPS logos on their vehicle and parade around. It might even be fun to do—because you can bet the DPS would object, com up with something and cit, arrest and impound. And a judge would go along with it. It is only illegal if you do try to impersonate a DPS officer or force someone to pull over.

    Since you like quoting law, if you look you will find (under definitions for the pertinent photoradar enabling laws I believe) that those who contract with law enforcement can indeed put these logos on their vehicles. It is nebulous. It requires a LEO to cite, a judge to uphold to force a confrontation of this practice…ain’t gonna happen. Wll,at least not for a gov’t. contractor— you and I however is a different matter.

    • What if I rip the decals off and put them on my vehicle? What if I work for Redflex and do the same thing?

      There are sins much worse by Redflex than having DPS decals on their van, but it’s still a bit of a gray area.

    • How come when mechanics drive DPS cars, they cover the light bars that say “out of service?”

      There is no lawful exemption for government contractors. Having a contract with the government does not exempt a person or company from the law.

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