State Fair Petition Drive

sf1CameraFRAUD’s booth at the Arizona State Fair is a very popular place. Fairgoers line up to to sign the petition for the Citizen’s Ballot Initiative to rid the state of Photo Enforcement and send Redflex packing. We get lots of questions, but hear lots of stories as well. People are eager to tell us about the ‘notice of violation’ they recieved which showed that someone else, in many cases a member of the opposite sex, was driving. This would imply shoddy quality control at Redflex, where they issue the ‘notices.’

Also, we hear over and over from people who tell us that they simply threw away their ‘notice of violation.’ Clearly, the word is out that unless properly served, the notice is little more than something to line your birdcage with.


Pinal County Deputies sign CameraFRAUD's petition

Pinal County Deputies sign CameraFRAUD's petition

While DPS officers have been scarce near CameraFRAUD’s booth (they’re pretty visible around the rest of the fair), Peace Officers from other agencies around the state have been happy to sign the petition. Every day, CameraFRAUD is a little closer to its’ goal.


24 Responses to State Fair Petition Drive

  1. I also love the recurring refrain from most of the petition signers, “I haven’t had a ticket in 20/30/40 years and then I got one of those photo tickets in the mail.”

    Does DPS really think that these people who have been driving reasonable and prudently (as evidenced by their lack of tickets) for 20/30/40 years are now suddenly dangerous drivers and NOT driving reasonably and prudently? OF course not! They’re getting tickets for situations for which a human cop would never even bother to pull someone over.

  2. RPr says:

    Heath and Chilicothe vote tomorrow.

    Ohio voters Vote Yes to ban the scam!

  3. capitalfraud says:

    College Station, Texas also votes tomorrow. Vote Yes!

  4. B says:

    The biggest question I received was, “What are the rules about being served? How long do I have to wait before the citation is invalid?”

    The answer to, “How long do I have to wait before I don’t have to worry about being served?” is:


    That date will come in one of the letters they send you in the mail. (I’ve heard it’s in the 2nd letter you get from Redflex, but I can’t speak for ATS citations). For example, if you get a ticket on May 28th, 2009, you’ll receive a letter in the mail weeks later. If you ignore that 1st letter, a 2nd or later letter will come with a date on it that they turned in the ticket to the appropriate court (example: June 16th, 2009). THAT is the date that you count the 120 days from.

    Anecdote: I had a person tell me that they thought it was 120 days from the day the picture was taken. He went 120 days and ignored the letters, but didn’t get served. About 10 days later, a knock came on the door. He opened the door and a guy served him for the ticket. He was 130+ days out from the day the picture was taken, but he was about three days short of the actual 120 day clock (it was Day 117 or so), so it had been legally served, at which point he had to treat it like any ticket from an officer of the law.

    Apparently that is an increasingly common practice of service companies – waiting until the very end of the period to try and get people to forget about the photo ticket and then get them at the very end of the 120 days.

    Again, it’s 120 days from the day the ticket is TURNED INTO THE COURT by the camera company – not just 120 days from the day of the picture being taken.

    • B says:

      “if you get a ticket on May 28th, 2009, you’ll receive a letter in the mail weeks later”
      I meant to say, “if you get your picture taken by a camera on May 28th, 2009,”…

  5. James Howard says:

    Great job, folks!

    It is funny how I didn’t even know what a process server was until photo enforcement appeared, and now I get Pima County Deputies and Tucson Police Officers giving me tips on how to avoid them.

  6. Lone Wolf says:

    Great work at the fair! I wish I could’ve participated but my work has been neverending over the past few weeks.

    Evidently, this motorcycle has a jet engine according to a scam cam ticket the biker received:

  7. mike says:

    LMAO Hey “B” its 90 days from ticket filing not 120. That law changed years ago. I cant help but laugh at all of the bad info out there and then someone comes here and MORE wrong answers. No wonder people are confused!

    Anyone have any idea how many signatures we have?? I keep seeing all these great turnouts and people talking about signing but where are we?? 1/2 way, 3/4???

    • LoneWolf says:

      It usually helps if people would provide a link to the source. In this case, a link to a government site would really help clear up any confusion.

    • B says:

      mike – Actually, you are the one who needs to stop sending out bad information, and along with that story about the 130+ days (which is a true story), I have a source to prove it.

      Taken from the New Times article, “Gotcha” – :

      “At Redflex’s nondescript office, workers in black cubicles view the photos and determine whether the picture of the driver and license plate is good enough to use. If so, they forward the information to police and mail out either a civil traffic citation or the above-mentioned notices of violation, depending on the situation.

      Police pass copies of the citations (not the notices) to the courts, and the clock starts ticking. Arizona law requires that once a civil case has been filed with a court, proper notice must be given to the defendant within 120 days. If not, the case must be dismissed.

      “The court has no jurisdiction until it’s served,” Lynch says.

      Although the dismissal is considered “without prejudice,” meaning it can be re-filed, judges and court administrators say that no 120-day dismissal in a photo-enforcement case has ever been reintroduced.

      The 120-day dismissal is the Holy Grail for those seeking to get out of a ticket.”


      AGAIN – It is 120 days from the day that Redflex or ATS gives the ticket to the court – period. No ifs, ands or buts… If you have an online source to cite that debunks what I’ve posted, I’d LOVE to see it.

      • LoneWolf says:

        Actually, that article is a bit on the old side- 2 yrs. I thought I came across a comment on the meetup message board where someone else stated that it’s 90 days from the date it’s filed. Here’s a statute that I believe relates to this issue:

        This is just my take on this. I’m no legal expert when it comes to issues like this and I don’t think most others who post here are either so my somewhat educated guess is that it is 90 days.

        • Alucard says:

          After reading the statute above (ARS 28-1592), it appears that there are two timers that run in scamera cases. The first is the filing of the civil charge, which must be performed within 60 days of the alleged violation. The second is that the charge, once filed with the court, must be served within 90 days of the date the charge was filed with the court.

          • LoneWolf says:

            Yup. It appears anyone could be served between 1 – 150 days after the alleged violation occurred.

            • LoneWolf says:

              Correction: 1 day would be impossible considering the citation has to be sent to the driver and filed with the court.

              • Alucard says:

                To clarify my understanding, what the above tells me is that the prosecution / plaintiff loses if they go past due on either of the timers, the case gets thrown out. (e.g. filing the charge with the court 61 days after the alleged violation is cause for dismissal). The 90-day timer does not enter into play until after the charge is timely filed, at which point you must be served with the citation within 90 days of the filing date or the charge faces a dismissal.

              • LoneWolf says:

                Makes perfect sense.

  8. Stacey says:

    Holy spamoley! Those are some good lookin police officers!

  9. Stacey says:

    Ah, let’s go protest in front of the fire department next. hehehe

  10. RPr says:

    ATS donates money to pro photo radar group in Texas.

    No money was raised from Texas residents to keep the scameras.


  11. duece says:

    hmmm. on duty uniformed officers engaging in political activity. A violation of most departmental policies. Oh wait its Pinal County, anything goes.

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