They’re Watching You: The Media Awakens

surveillanceUnder pressure from Chicago’s Daily Herald newspaper, local police in Gurnee are revising promotional materials and presentations to include the fact that Redflex’s automated ticketing machines record video 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

CameraFRAUD has reported on the far-reaching capabilities of the so-called photo radar / enforcement cameras since its inception, including stories regarding the ambitions of ATS and Redflex to become private homeland security contractors much in the shape of Xe (formerly Blackwater).

Gurnee police are tweaking their public presentations on red-light cameras so those in attendance know the devices are constantly providing a live video feed of intersections. At the first of three forums on photo enforcement Wednesday, part of the evening at village hall featured what was called fact and fiction about the cameras. The concept of the cameras running at all times was listed as fiction. In response to audience questions, the crowd was told the cameras are asleep and activate only when a vehicle drives through a red light.

But Gurnee police crime prevention technician Tom Agos, who led the presentation, said he later inquired with Redflex Traffic Systems Inc. and received clarification on the cameras. Gurnee will pay $38,000 a month to Redflex for coverage at four intersections, with the system set to go live later this month.

Agos said a high-resolution, digital still camera is triggered only when a vehicle runs a red light at an intersection, capturing a rear license plate in the process. Redflex also has a low-resolution, streaming video feed of intersections that always runs but isn’t supposed to capture images of red-light violators.

“Low resolution” regarding the constant video recording is a blatant lie per Redflex’s own literature, which states: “SMARTCAM Performance features… High-resolution digital imaging at 10 bits per channel, giving 1 billion colors, 65dB dynamic range giving excellent image contrast
Sustainable imaging rates at two frames per second or better…”

Streaming video from red-light cameras is opposed by an anti-photo-enforcement group that contends 24-hour-a-day surveillance of the public is unwarranted.

“Can you remember where you were driving two years ago?” CameraFRAUD volunteer James DeCash wrote in an e-mail. “Redflex can, and if the video is subpoenaed in court, you might have some explaining to do about where you were, what you were doing and who you were associating with.” CameraFRAUD started in the Phoenix area and now has chapters in Maryland, Virginia, Louisiana and Washington, D.C. The organization has plans for branches to fight red-light cameras in Illinois, Florida and Missouri.

Redflex spokeswoman Shoba Vaitheeswaran refused to answer a question about the streaming video Friday.

40 Responses to They’re Watching You: The Media Awakens

  1. RPr says:

    sadly our own state legislature claim to have fallen for this same stay asleep message from Redflex

  2. Will says:

    It’s ok, you weren’t doing anything to be ashamed of on March 12th of this year at 6:35 PM, right?


    Please roll the tape for Mr. Jones and his wife, bailiff.

  3. Will Kay says:

    They lied, denied, and refused to answer questions. Go figure. This is Big Brother, 24 hour constant surveillance, police state at its finest! Ask yourself these questions, do you really want to give up all of your constitutional rights just to catch a couple of speeders and red light runners? Do you really want these cameras watching everything that goes on in your community? Does that make any sort of logical sense?

  4. Justanopinion says:

    Oh no they are watching intersections now and this is news? Good lord. You know how many cameras watch you everyday? At work? At the bank? At the store? Seriously don’t you people have anything better to talk about? Don’t you people have lives?

    • Yes, but the other cameras are attached to identification and tracking systems.

    • BJ says:

      Those cameras you describe are privately owned and don’t automatically fine you for breaking the law with the authority of the government backing them up.

      Open your eyes, or go back to sleep and shut up.

    • Doc says:


    • Doc says:

      Justanopinion-FOR GOD’S SAKE…WAKE UP & ACT LIKE AN AMERICAN!!! not a sheeple!

      Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

      • Mark S says:


        If this was happening back in the 70s, there would be millions protesting around the country. What happened to this country? Too many people don’t want to think for themselves. They want the government to tell them how to think, act and live their lives. Common sense has gone down the toilet along with personal responsibility. Those that don’t question the actions of the government are all SHEEP.

        Welcome to the U.S.S.A.

        • Law A. BidingTroll says:

          did you 2 clowns every realize that you are in the minority?

          mark do you even know what they protested in the late 60’s and early 70’s? i didnt think so!!

          thing 1 and thing 2 posting on a message board and neither has a clue!!!

          • Mike says:

            The “minority” huh? Is that why photo enforcement has lost EVERY single time it has been put up to a popular vote by the people?

      • Doc says:

        Mark S-I see this very same thing in the Motorcycle Rights arena…A P A T H Y ! ! ! It makes me wanna’ THROW-UP!!! Then, there’s the ELECTED officials, MD’s Governor for example, who have the “I don’t care what the people want.” attitude. These people need to be__________! I’ll bet that guy’s BFF’s with j-no! Why these people aren’t prosecuted is beyond me.

        However, MY attitude is, “Those willing to sacrifice LIBERTY for SECURITY deserve NEITHER!” B. Franklin.

        Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

      • Justanopinion says:

        I am awake and for Photo Enforcement. The life it saves maybe yours.

        • James S says:

          [Citation Required]

          The reference type, that is… to support your “life saving” claim…

        • One of the lives it takes may be yours. Injuries and fatalities go UP where PE is installed.

        • Doc says:

          “Drivin’ with your eyes closed…
          Drivin’ with your eyes closed!
          Drivin’ with your eyes closed…
          An’ you’re gonna’ hit somethin’…
          But thats th’ way it goes!”
          Don Henley

  5. BJ says:

    This is great news that someone in the press is actually trying to get the word out…

    But as a whole, the people don’t know about this “feature” at all?

    In my experience, maybe 1 out of 100 know about this video streaming. They without fail think the cameras are just snapping still shots of “criminals” while letting them go by without any surveilling of them.

    SOMEONE with some real money and power needs to get the word out. Every time someone gets a signature for the petition, the people need to be told every time about this video component so the word can spread…

  6. Justanopinion says:

    May 19, 2009, Alexandria, VA – In a recent national survey of voters, Public Opinion Strategies
    found that fully 69% of Americans support the use of “red-light cameras” at the most dangerous
    intersections in their states, while just 29% oppose them.
    Those voters “strongly” supporting red-light cameras outnumber those who strongly oppose them
    by a wide 45%-18% margin.
    Neil Newhouse, one of the founding partners of Public Opinion Strategies, noted that “support for
    these red-light cameras is not only very strong nationally, but cuts across all demographic and
    attitudinal groups, including men and women, young and old, Republicans and Democrats, and
    conservatives and liberals.”
    The survey also showed that while support for red-light cameras is very high, voters believe that
    their support is not shared by others. By a 47%-41% margin, voters believe that most residents in
    their state oppose red-light cameras, providing evidence of a “disconnect” between voters’ actual
    attitudes on the issue and their perception of how other voters feel.
    “This is a stunning result. Rarely in public opinion research do you find voter attitudes so at odds
    with what they believe others think. These red-light camera supporters are truly the ‘silent
    majority,’ while opponents might be described as a vocal minority.”
    The national survey was based on telephone interviews with 800 likely voters, conducted April
    19-22, 2009. The results are subject to a margin of sampling error of approximately plus or minus
    3.46 percent.
    Public Opinion Strategies (POS) is a national political and public affairs research firm.
    Headquartered in Alexandria, Virginia, POS is the Republican partner for the NBC/WSJ Poll and
    was named “Pollster of the Year” by the trade publication “Campaigns and Elections.”
    N1. Do you support or oppose the use of red-light cameras to detect red-light runners and
    enforce traffic laws in your state’s most dangerous intersections?
    2% DON’T KNOW
    N2. And, setting aside your personal opinion of red-light cameras, do you think that most
    residents in your state support or oppose the use of red-light cameras to ensure traffic
    12% DON’T KNOW

    Here take this into consideration.

    • James S says:

      A public opinion research firm that was so stupid they picked a corporate name that is a common abbreviation for “Piece of Shit”?


    • Ghost of RPr says:

      Photo radar has never survived a public vote.

    • Stacey says:

      The one thing about Redflex is their predictability:

      Redflex Propaganda:

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    • RPr says:

      this POS poll was busted at the polls POS claims 66% of Louisiana supported the Scameras

      2 weeks later
      86% voted the scameras out

  7. Mark S says:

    Wow, another poll quoting troll.

    A recent poll on the validity polls showed that 90% of those polled that polls were totally worthless.

    That is that same article that ATS has been putting in papers nationwide for the past several months.

    You can go right ahead and continue to quote polls, troll.

    Remember everyone, some trolls are protected under the troll protection act of 2009. The poll quoting trolls are not protected and the season is year round. Happy troll hunting everyone.

  8. Doc says:

    OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!IT’S LAB—REINCARNATED!!!!!!!!!!!
    Can anybody get an accurate location on Linda Blair?

    I guess this means that you’re NOT wakin’ up, right?

  9. Pro-Camera says:

    A question:

    If DPS had the budget, the economy was not as bad as it currently is, and DPS purchased the cameras, kept the same 24 hour 7 day a week cameras, but did not issue speed and red light citations, would you still complain about violating your rights?

    Just an FYI to the people, there have been freeway cameras for decades and intersections have traffic engineering cameras to monitor the flow of traffic. All running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. But they don’t issue citations and they aren’t staffed by Redflex.

    • BJ says:

      FYI? I’m pretty sure everyone here is aware of those cameras.

      ADOT, not DPS, put those cameras up strictly for traffic monitoring, not crime monitoring or automatic citation.

      Putting these two types of cameras into the same box is ignorant…

      Damn – these trolls always take one angle of the issue and hammer at it without seeing the big picture.

    • James S says:

      “If DPS had the budget, the economy was not as bad as it currently is,”

      Gonna cut you off right there. DPS has enough money as it is. In fact, DPS is such a waste of money that the entire agency should be abolished and the funds distributed to the county sheriffs and give them the highway jurisdiction (which they already have!)

      “and DPS purchased the cameras, kept the same 24 hour 7 day a week cameras, but did not issue speed and red light citations, would you still complain about violating your rights?”

      Absolutely would be opposed! Look up the definition of police state. Not all fascism looks like Adolf Hitler’s type.

    • Those cameras are not attached to a monitoring and tracking system.

  10. Doc says:

    An Answer:

    The freeway cameras that you speak of DO NOT RECORD your movements, using MILITARY GRADE TRACKING TECHNOLOGY and FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY, then KEEP that recorded video for anywhere from 90 days (per dps…) to 5 (FIVE) years (per redflex contract with Show Low, Az.

    This recording, contrary to what some Judges believe, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! And the keeping of said video by a NON-CERTIFIED PRIVATE CORPORATION is illegal, without WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE RECORDED INDIVIDUAL!

    Doesn’t it scare the crap out of you to know that redflex employees (who may or may not have passed a background check, not that THAT makes any difference…) have access to YOUR private information…such as your ADDRESS?!?!? You know, where your DAUGHTER lives?!?!?

    And further more, dps DOESN’T have the budget, and have PROVEN to be UNTRUSTWORTHY!!!

    Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

    but, I digress…we’ve ALREADY DISCUSSED EVERY ONE OF THESE POINTS, DAMMIT!!! Please try to keep up…

    • geez says:

      And what in your paranoid mind makes you blurt out “MILITARY GRADE TRACKING TECHNOLOGY and FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY”
      You’ve checked out their stuff personally and seen that it’s military grade, and does facial recognition? Or is your paranoia getting to you? The bottle says take once a day, not when you feel like it….

      • Walter says:

        And what in your complacent little mind makes you think that they are not military grade? Or what makes you think that they will not be replaced with it if they are not already.

        Have you checked out their stuff personally and seen that it’s not military grade, And does not do facial recognition?

        The constitution says I have freedoms. I will take all that are mine.

      • Doc says:

        geez-a.k.a.-RICHARD KNOGGIN…if you’re gonna’ participate on th’ site, in the discussion, please READ THE INFORMATION PROVIDED. You could utilize th’ links from this very site to READ UP ON THE RFID technology…built by a british firm, who “claim” that all of their equipment is MIL-SPEC.(which is another term for…MILITARY GRADE…which using that type of technology on FREE, CITIZENS of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA…is unconstitutional.)

        or you could continue to make an un-informed, complete ASS of yourself…th’ choice…is yours…


        Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

  11. Doc says:

    And further more, if th’ trolls could keep up, and READ the accompining article, even they would have to ask th’ followin’ question: If these are such upstandin’ companies, and they aren’t really doin’ anything unscrupulous, why LIE ABOUT IT?!?!?!?!?

    …just sayin’…

  12. BJ says:

    Coming to a community near you someday sooner than you think…

    Wow… Maybe Redflex and ATS would fight this because it would cut into their revenue streams, unless they’re the ones installing it – for a fee…

  13. Joe says:

    10 bits per channel is a higher-end camera than the “pro-sumer” 3CCD Sony and Canon cameras that are used on shows like “Survivor”, which are only 8 bits per channel. In other words, these cameras are “broadcast quality” in terms of resolution. The only other limiting factors are lens quality and lighting.

    And to “Justanopinion”:
    Public Opinion Strategies is a polling company based in AZ that is known for delivering the data that a customer needs in order to show public support for a certain position. In other words, show them the money and the point of view, and they’ll concoct a survey that meets your needs. The company is run by a state lobbyist.

    • Doc says:

      Maybe we’re in th’ wrong line of work…

      wait a minit…alls ya’ gotta’ do is make sh!t up…an’ ya’ get PAID for it?!?!?

      Hold up! Politiciand been doin’ that for years! never mind!

  14. Doc says:

    Not exactly on scamera topic, but on th’ “we’re bein’ watched” topic. Newsmax is a fairly reliable source of information. This topic is pretty scary. I’ve just got 1 (ONE) piece of advice for all of us…”Be Prepared”

    Remember AMERICA?!?!?-Doc from Prescott

  15. Doc says:

    And HEY! I just found THIS! (sit down…) This is about the people that are watching us! This sh!t reminds me of that “Honeymooners” skit that Eddie Murphy did WWWWAAAAYYYY Back…I won’t repeat it here, but you can probably get it on you-tube…,2933,521040,00.html?test=latestnews

    As our wonderful Stacey said recently, The looneys are running the looney bin…or sumthin’ like that!

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