Thirty-five new Justice Courts…


I’ll explain that a little better in the next few paragraphs.

ehbAddressing the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure is Elizabeth Hegedus-Berthold, a research analyst for the County Supervisors Association of Arizona. She reported to the committee that since the Photo Traffic Enforcement program started in Arizona five months ago, more than one hundred and three thousand citations have become the responsibllity of Maricopa County’s Justice Courts. That’s not the whole state, just Maricopa County. See pictures here.

Whenever the recipient of one of these civil complaints requests a hearing, challenges the complaint, or simply ignores it, it falls on the local Justice Court to accomodate the hearing request or to try and have the recipient served by a process server. With more than 600 tickets per day flowing into the system, the Justice Courts just can’t keep up. Making this burdern even more difficult to bear is the fact that all of the revenue from the Photo Enforcement program goes to the State, Redflex, and the Clean Elections Fund. In short, the Justice Courts do all the work but don’t get to keep any of the money.

The analyst went on to say that if the last five months are an indicater of what Photo Enforcement’s burden will be on the existing Justice Court system in Maricopa County, an additional Thirty-Five new Justice Courts will have to be established to accomodate the volume. She then went on to say that building a new Justice Court would cost somewhere around eighteen million ($18,000,000) dollars, not including judges and staff. Hearing this testimony, it’s no wonder that some courts are attaching their own fees for processing Photo Enforcement fines, another topic of heated debate.

This perspective simply underscores the point that the State-wide Photo Enforcement Program was poorly thought out. Our former governor Janet Nopalitano was more than happy to screw not just Arizona citizens, but lower courts as well just to make a buck.

86 Responses to Thirty-five new Justice Courts…

  1. Dan G says:

    Screw them all! These little justice courts have alot of nerve to complain about these cameras that keep food on their tables!! Haha, it’s going to be cheaper when “THE CAMERAS ARE COMING DOWN!”

  2. guttersn1pe says:

    I guess the cameras didn’t turn out to be the huge revenue generators they thought they would be. Typical short-sighted thinking.

  3. RPr says:

    we dont need 35 new courts.

    we need 35 judges like John C Keegen.(dismisses all contested photo radar tickets)

    problem solved

  4. Doc says:

    I’m tellin’ ‘ya…revenue generation was a side benefit! J-no was using this as a test for her NAZI schemes as DHS director. Money never was th’ issue! She just used that as an excuse to sell it to the legislators…

  5. Stacey says:

    Great piece.

  6. Dan G. says:

    gutter, are you accusing JNO of thinking?

  7. guttersn1pe says:

    I would never dream of it. Totally unintentional.

  8. Walter says:

    Maybe the kangaroo court system should just tell the Department of public extortion. That they will do what they can with what they have. If they want more. Tough crap.

    Besides that, If they build more courts to handle the photo Radar tickets. The buildings will be done just about the time the voters tell DPS where to stick their cameras.

  9. Stacey says:

    USA Today 2006 article:

    Soon, Redflex may seek more serious lawbreakers than those who run red lights. The company has just begun to look into potential for growth in the homeland security business, Finley says.

    There have been occasions — which Finley can’t detail for national security reasons — when federal officials have asked Redflex to review its videotapes for information that could help identify terrorists.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2006-07-04-redflex-usat_x.htm

  10. guttersn1pe says:

    Really?!? So the CEO of a foreign corporation can’t comment because of US national security issues. What’s wrong with this picture?

  11. RPr says:

    Mississippi gives ATS until Oct 1 to take the cameras down

    http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20090305/NEWS010504/903050346

  12. duece says:

    Maybe you people should apply for some jobs at these courts.

  13. I'm Back says:

    Sorry Duece, I have a job and enjoy being productive, so working for the gov’t is pretty much out of the question for me. That was a nice try at humor though.

  14. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    im back—oh but you never know …. you just never know when mcdonalds is going to start laying off people…. hope you have seniority!!!

  15. I'm Back says:

    LAB,
    What does that mean?

  16. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    ? ……..to stay on topic…. when the nonsense gets over with in the house and the bill does not even get a vote…. it appears that there may be some openings in maricopa county court system…. which is great because there were 180 CPS workers layed off recently and i am sure that they are out looking for jobs!!!!

  17. I'm Back says:

    Here is a great page on the AT$ website with red light runner caused accidents that cameras could have prevented.

    http://www.atsol.com/videos.html

    After seeing these I am convinced that these drivers would have come to a complete and safe stop if there was a camera in the vicinity other than the one that was video taping them the entire time.

  18. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    im back…. did i miss something? now you advocate the use of red light cameras?

    in these videos it is hard to tell who is at fault with seeing the entire intersection…. with who had which green light!!!

  19. I'm Back says:

    Law, it’s called sarcasm. They teach it at McDonalds. It took you about a month to figure out how to sign up for twitter, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

  20. Walter says:

    I agree. Had red light cameras been properly installed at any of those intersections. Those drivers would have not run those red lights at all. Especially not by the 3 or 4 seconds it looked like in the videos. I mean how could a person not pay attention to the light? When there is a camera right there. Preventing them from being distracted.

    I think they should install cameras at the freeway on ramp metering lights. We sure wouldn’t want anyone to not pay attention and go out of turn.

    LAB. Are you admitting that the cameras don’t show everything going on at the intersection? If not, how can a person be sure that the cameras are accurate when they give out tickets? How is a person supposed to defend himself in court when all of the facts are not clear?

  21. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    walter… i think i made it very clear….but leave it to the likes of your kind to twist it in some way…. from what i saw…. i dont know who ran a red-yellow light!!!! i could have guessed… had i been able to look at the sequence of the traffic light… that would have been helpfull…. now how you stretched that to accurate cameras in waaaaayyy beyond me… and an even further stretch to someone defensing himself….. there are a lot of things in life i dont know for sure… when i get take out food.. i dont know if someone spit in it.. when i order meats at the deli i assume they gave me the pound that i asked for and did not short it… i assume when i pump a gallon of gas that i get exactly that…. i assume that srp has my meter set correct and i am not over paying… life is way to short to question everyting in it… if its obvious great… if its not …. why concern myself?

    im back- i had no desire to sign up for twitter and the only reason i did was to get around responding to posts when i was banned!!!! please dont declare yourself superior cause you signed up for twitter faster than I !!!! no they dont teach you that at mcdonalds… i worked there for awhile during high school…. very good place for young kids to get a work ethic!!

  22. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    this post would have been much more on topic for the first thread … but alas i was not able to posts there….

    mayor steve berman was voted out in gilbert!!! which brings to light … two issues in my opinion…

    1. “berman supported the “cameras coming down” and now he has lost his relection… if you think that other elected officials will not see the connection.. think again…

    2. voter turnout in gilbert was terrible!! less than 8000 voters!!! if that is the sign of the times ..then your initiative is doomed to fail … the smaller the turnout… the worse it will be for you… of course no worries… there is no way you will collect the signatures…

  23. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    one last thing…. a question for the “leadership” here…. how many petitioners were out on tuesday collecting signatures ? seems to me that those heading to the polls would have been a great opportunity to get valid signatures!!!

    why do i have to do all the thinking in this outfit…. i actually thought of it a few days ago… but i didnt want to give you any ideas!!!

  24. RC says:

    If LAB is allowed to post, can I post again too?

  25. Walter says:

    LAB If you don’t question everything? And take it at face value that your not being scammed. Then I have a bridge I can sell you. I’ll give you a heck of a deal on it. You just can’t question how I got it. Or who I got it from. Just pay up.

    How are the cameras going to stop a red light runner, That ran the light because he was not paying attention? The cameras do not and cannot stop that. The people that cameras target the most. Are people that run the light by less than .5 seconds. That is not even enough time to cause an accident. If you are traveling anywhere near the speed limit on any city street. And miss judge the timing of the yellow light by .5 seconds. You will have passed through the intersection before the cross traffic cars have even had time to press the gas pedal. Yet alone enter into the path of your car.
    Sorry to break it to you. But red light cameras DO NOT make an intersection safer. If they did none of those accidents that happened right in front of those cameras would have happened at all.

    Increasing yellow time has been proven to be safer over and over. Why don’t you go bang a drum for re timing yellow lights. Instead of for cameras that don’t do what you claim they do.

    BTW. Where would you like your bridge? I have several to choose from.

  26. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    walter…. there is a reason that you dont make your living as a comdedian… its not working so quit trying so hard….cameras are to change driving habits and behavior..cameras can not stop anyone from doing anything once…. but unless you are a complete nimrod… getting a ticket will have some type of affect on ones driving habits…

    i have yet to see one study that did not find that fatal accidents stayed the same or went up with the addition of cameras…. they always go down… and in some instances rear end collisions increase…

    increasing a yellow light will reduce accidents…. for one reason!!! if you increase it long enough there will not be as many cars passing through!! duh!!!

    you are questioning one thing walter…. you dont come close to questioning everything!!!

  27. RC says:

    This site is ran by cowards

  28. RC says:

    Why is it my stuff either goes into “Awaiting Moderation” or just doesn’t post at all?

  29. Walter says:

    Total number of accidents go up. And number of injury accidents go up. Are there really enough fatality accidents caused by red light runners to justify cameras at almost every intersection?

    The amount of enforcement should fit the amount of risk. Just like the old saying. The punishment should fit the crime.

    The ONLY reason cameras are at almost every intersection. Is that the city wants to make MONEY.

    Adding one second to yellow time in Mesa and other cities reduced citations by 80%. Did the amount of traffic through the intersection go down 80%? NO.
    MORE TIME is safer than MORE CAMERAS.

  30. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    walter…. now you are guessing…. atleast some of your fellow tin hats can produce a study or two that supports their opinion… you come with nothing .. you can add 5 minutes to a light and some people are just going to run it cause they have no regard for others…

    the answer to your first question is HELL YES!!!

  31. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    well since i cant post at meet up groups i will have to bring it out here…

    someone named joe, a good friend of mine, has asked how the signature count is looking… it has been coming up on 24 hours and NO ANSWER from the powers that be…. he then posts again, clarifies the question and lastly mentions it would be good for morale!!!! i wonder how long it will take for him to get an answer…. my guess is he will not or if he does it will not be an answer with a count!!!!

    this cause reminds me of a song…. slippin away!! and of a sinking ship!!! the titanic!!! bloop bloop bloop!!!!

  32. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    http://news.aol.com/sports/article/charles-lewis-dies-in-crash/379365

    you know….maybe you are right… speeding doesnt kill… lets ask the guy that was driving the red car!!

  33. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    doc i am disappointed…. i thought you kne it all!!!! and if you dont …you just lie through it!!!
    why would these machines need to be calibrated every 24 hours!!! in your line of work doc… as a male nurse… you work with pretty sensitive machines… how often do they need calibration? not every 24 hours i bet.. and those machines are used to monitor and save HUMAN lives!!!
    come doc no lies now!!!!

  34. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    site admin…. is there any chance that you can fix this so i do not have to post on the wrong thread.. i am sure that you are aware of the problem and are getting a good laugh ( maybe if there was more enthusiasm for the cause you would not be so bored) but i would hate to get banned again cause i was not posting on the correct thread….

    as for the letter to mesa… it states that you drafted a letter… when are you going to send it? and you say that “they” quietly fixed the problem.. did they do this like tiptoeing through the tulips? did they do it in the dark of night? did they cause a distraction and then sneak in and do it.. or did they just have a guy go down and lock them up? where was your “volunteer” when that happened… you must have got some good pics of that covert act!!! when can we count on the next desperate thread to be posted to muster up some or any kind of life into the cause!! if this was a human .. he\she would be on life support and the family having to make a decision on when to pull the plug!!

  35. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    thanks mike for the “truth” about calibrating the machines… you know this wont make the others happy.. heck doc thought it was once every 24 hours..what a joke!!! since it can be classified as only one occurance… i guess ats owes the city of mesa $1000.00 … no big deal… i am sure the pockets are deep!!! i am sure that the city of mesa will send a thankyou note to camerafrauk for pointing out the problem!!!

  36. guttersn1pe says:

    http://news.aol.com/sports/article/charles-lewis-dies-in-crash/379365

    And had there been a camera, the result would be the same except the state would be trying to figure out how to collect $180 from a dead guy.

  37. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    well being dead is the ultimate way to avoid the ticket!!!!

  38. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1101674

    oops someone forgot to put it in the mail!!!!

  39. Doc says:

    I’m not a male nurse…LAB dickhead…I posted that before. I just asked a question, and stated what I incorrectly thought. If you don’t have anything constructive to add to the thread, why don’t you just….go away. Back to ignore for you…troll.

    Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

  40. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    right back at you doc… then you are the head fix it guy at the clinic? i always have something constructive to say..just ask me!!! now… is there a reason that you ignored the question? or maybe because the are not who you claimed to be!!! you dont know the answer.. just say so!!!

    i would like to make it known that it appears that “anti camera” humans can do and say what they want at this site!!! if i was to call anyone that name i would be banned by morning!!!

    nice!!!!

  41. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    do- who cares if geez works for redlex or ats? you are a fix it guy and pt runs the circus!! and we dont care what you two do!!!

    btw… you sure made it sound like a male nurse is below you!!! fyi.. glyph is a male nurse!!!

  42. Walter says:

    LAB.. Just look at the article about Mesa Not making money on Photo Radar.

    I don’t have time to get all the exact numbers. But to make a point.

    That article talked about the Intersection at Power and Main. The article said there was a large number of citations and accidents at that intersection.

    The article went on to say that after engineering modifications to the intersection the number of accident and infractions went way down. So far down. That the city no longer makes money there.

    I drive that intersection on a regular basis. The cameras have been there for at least 5 years. If the cameras do such a good job of modifying driver behavior? Why were there STILL so many accidents and infractions there? You don’t have to be the head cashier at McDonalds to figure out the cameras don’t work. Proper engineering and design does.

    But…Don’t worry. After the cameras are outlawed in AZ. And you don’t have a job any more. With your experience at McDonalds and Redflex. You should have no problem getting a job at Goodwill.

  43. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    Well walter…. i did have an idea…. based on all of you guys here…. i am thinking of making tin hats and selling them….and it wouldnt be like the one size fits all like you guys wear now!! no these will be fitted!!!for those of you that have infected your children with this nonsense… the kids ones will have ears just like you get at disneyland… yes the ears will be made of tin also!!!

    as for the pictures taken of the “broken into” boxes… abc web site shows 3 pics…. 2 of the 3 appear to have been taken at night!! the volunteer that took them is also the person that broke into them.,,, he\she took the 2 pics at night then came back in the day and took the 3rd one!! you guys keep it up…. eventually someone is going to get caught and when it is revealed they are a member of camerfrauk and dt’s circus… well…. it will not be good publicity!!!

    doc- can you shoot the ears off of a tin hat? i may hire you to be in a commercial!!!

  44. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    im sorry walter…. by the way… the i dont have time to look up the facts… it doesnt fly with me… chances are very good that what you call facts about the article… is just your opinions…. sorry.. i cant answer that question…. but the cameras work… only a fool would think they dont… and i guess this place is full of fools!!!

  45. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    where is your neighborhood james? if he comes around what are you going to do to him? tough guy on the net!!! post your neighborhood.. i will come around!!

  46. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    geez- not only have they not delivered it… dt barnum was out granting interviews to get his earings on tv!!!! i guess the entire “outrage” was put aside to get some face time on tv!!! but..then again when you aspire to an elected office…. you better get some free exposure!!! even if you have to create the news!!!!

    i love it when they give you and i crap about when we post ( time of day)…. usually its someone posting at around the same time!!!! this time its mike with egg on his face….

  47. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    walter!! i was just at the meet up site!!! how do you remember to bring your pom poms from each location to another!!! here is what you have joined!!! you posted on the topic of how many sigs have been collected… i think it is a fair question to ask!!! yet the only person that has responded is glyph…. not matt and certainly not pt barnum ( he is out looking for the next tv interview, radio and print will due but he would rather have tv) i think glyph is one of the admins but not higher than those other 2…. i just find it ironic.. that the guys that should have responded…. have not!!!! but hey!!! you keep getting sigs for them…. AND wave those pom poms and maybe one day .. they will acknowledge just what you guys are doing!!!

  48. Walter says:

    It does not matter how many sigs have been collected so far. I have no doubt that we will get enough to end your current employers extortion racket.

    You might want to get your resume up to date.

  49. Dan G. says:

    It must be amateur trolling hour because they are hard at it again. So trolls, in the name of safety, are you going to start a driver education page to encourage safe driving once the cameras come down? Otherwise, you’re all talk and no action, and at least the people on this site are active in their efforts.

  50. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    dan- how many times are you going to write the SAME thing!!!!??? do you think i do not check the threads? and the answer to your question asked for the 3rd time is… NO !!!

    hey walter.. i did not ask the question… a member did!!! and it seems that, according to his written word, he would like to know… becasue he thinks it would be a boost to morale.. which obviously he thinks is lacking!!! you are going to need 300,000 to be safe!!! and you dont have a lot of time!! and you are not getting a lot of support!!! and that all will equal…. failure!!! thanks for playing though!!!

  51. FrankThoughts says:

    Thirty-five (35) new justice courts and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Big government is getting BIGGER. Yea, I guess we’ll all be working for the government sooner or later, but . . . where will the money come from to pay all of us, if we’re robbing all of the blinded citizens?

  52. Walter says:

    I never accused you of asking a question. Not an intelligent one anyway.

  53. Zebra says:

    heh heh. This was posted in the meetup section. http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1102075&r=1
    If the link doesn’t work, here’s the best part:

    “The downturn in the economy has actually increased business for American Traffic Solutions because many states and local governments are using camera systems to produce revenue,” said Tuton.

    I thought it was about safety.

  54. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    it is about safety !!! and jobs!!!!

  55. Walter says:

    Your job maybe. But definitely NOT safety.

  56. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    walter… that argument is lame!!! not everyone who wants to see the cameras stay works for ats and redflex!! is that your form of the race card? you cant understand why we feel like we do so you whip that excuse out everytime?

  57. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    walter did you attend the sign dangling today?

  58. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    anyone have the turnout from the sign dangling today? must have been pitifull again …. when it is a success ( there has only been one of them) they post pics right away, like a kid on xmas morning…. but when they are horrible…. you have to force the info out of them!!!!

    lets see… friday afternoon … 4 pm ..south scottsdale…. 22 people!!! and that is being generous!!

  59. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090313/ap_on_re_us/red_light_cameras

    please dont claim the AP has an agenda!!!!

  60. Walter says:

    LAB. Must have had to work his tally van last night and into this morning. He sits there board out of his mind with his laptop. Pirating a wireless connection. And trolling camerafruad his whole shift.

    Thanks for the link. It does a pretty good job of explaining about how it’s ALL about the money. With safety as a cover for the scam.

  61. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    a little love for the good guys ( pro camera) and a little love for the dark side ( camerfrauk)!!!
    did you attend the sign dangling with your pom poms?

    again walter i dont work for either company!!

  62. Walter says:

    No LAB I did not attend the signature drive. My work schedule would not permit it. But I still gathered around 30 signatures Friday. Seems that for every 50 people I ask. I get around 10 that are not registered to vote or Don’t want to register/can’t register. Only 1 or 2 that don’t want to sign.(So far a total of 3). And the rest say “HELL Yeah! I’ll sign!” So it seems to me that there are no problems with getting enough signatures. And there will be NO problem getting the prop to pass next Nov.

    Just think. When you lose you job at Redflex. You can get a job at Goodwill. Then you can get a discount on a shiny, kinda new, helmet. I think the one you have now is a little too tight. Did the star trek fan club site kick you off their site Because you kept logging on saying Chewbacca could kick Capt. Kirk’s a$$ ??? Is that why your here??? Or are you simply out of crayons? I don’t understand why you hang around here trying to get into arguments with people you don’t know, and will probably never even meet. You must have some kind of reason for it. You are not accomplishing anything by posting the same things over and over. You haven’t come up with any new info. And every thing you have come up with has been dis-proven many times now. If anything it makes the people here more determined to get rid of you and the cameras.

  63. Zebra says:

    He’s here because there aren’t any pro-camera forums.

  64. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    walter… i love it when you get personal and caring!!! i am here to defend the truth!! period ..end of story!!! the truth seems to get misplaced at this site !!! i dont think you understand the enormous task at hand!!! 154,000 sigs and that is the min. that you need… wow you signed up ..what? 30? ok hang on let me do the math…. 153,970 still needed!!! keep plugging away!!! on the meet up thread a member asked what the count was… and got no answers from anyone in the know…why? cause it is pathetic!!!

  65. Walter says:

    I have already told you the truth. The cameras are there primarily for the MONEY. NOT safety. Even the cities that run the cameras are finally starting to come out and say it. Just look at the article you linked. So now the truth is out. C-ya.

    30 was just in a few min. By myself, not even really trying. I asked two people to sign. The rest of the people overheard and came up asking to sign on their own.

    Just shows how easy it is to get signatures.

  66. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    dps…. has said all along that it was about safety!! i myself could care less why they are up as long as people slow down!!!
    walter if you think that getting the sigs will be easy the more power to you…. !!!

  67. Law Abiding Citizen is a worthless troll says:

    Law Abiding Citizen is a worthless troll. His assertion that he has been ruled out as as a Reflex and/or American Traffic Solutions employee simply because he is posting from a residential area in Gilbert, AZ is ludicrous. Anyone can be on one’s payroll and work from home with a different location as his employer. (or the public library) This Law Abiding Citizen Character is either on the payroll of Reflex and/or ATS, or he is some geeked out tweaker that that thinks THEY will go away if he keeps posting on this site. Listen Law Abiding Citizen, this issue WILL get to the polls in 2012, and the voters of Arizona WILL voter to rid the state of these traffic cameras. You apparently like to voice your mis-construed views on this site. Why don’t you attend a camerafraud meeting and voice your opinions? That’s right, your a fraud and fake of your own kind. Now go away already.

  68. Law Abiding Citizen is a worthless troll says:

    By the way, every time this Law Abiding Citizen character posts on this site, I will set aside an hour of my personal life to gather signatures from Arizona registered voters at the libraries, grocery stores, restaurants, court houses, coffee shops, traffic schools, conventions, gun shows, etc… There are so many people that jump at the opportunity to sign these petitions. It’s great when they look you in the eyes, shake your hand, and say “thank you”. Oh yeah, I will make sure the people signing ARE registered to vote in Arizona before they complete the petition. And if they are not registered to vote, I will help them register and then collect have them complete the petition. The really interesting aspect to this is that everywhere I go to collect signatures, the VAST MAJORITY of the people are all ready registered to vote and AGAINST this big brother style of traffic enforcement and taxation. That being said, I’ll see you at the polls in November 2010.

  69. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    love is in the air!!!!! show yourself coward!!!! beyond that…your 2 posts are a great example why it is not good to drink alcohol and post messages at the same time!!!

  70. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    still no word on the turnout from fridays sign dangling!!!! must be a good reason!!!

  71. geez says:

    A friend of mine passed by in the eve. Said he’d seen about 6-8 people.

  72. Walter says:

    That’s more than there were at the Pro-Camera event…Oh wait…there wasn’t a Pro-Camera event. There are not enough Pro-Camera people to even have an event. LOL

  73. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    so geez.. it must have been a huge success!!! LOL!!!

    walter.. let me clue you in…. the pro crowd has nothing to organize for at this point… last time i checked the cameras were still up and flashing!!! and the law has not been changed and with the way the legislature is dragging their feet.. it appears the bills will die a slow, prolonged death….. the pressure is on you folks to bring about change!! and it appears the momentum is lacking…if you folks were to be honest with yourselves …. there are only about 10-20 of you that have any passion for change!! everybody else is on the back of the bandwagon with one foot on an one foot off!!! since the admin. of this site ( besides glyph, but i dont know how high up he is)seem to be above the pilgrims…. i dont see much direction and people with no direction and no word from the top… well one can guess how long the dedication will last…. and the sign danglings are only going to get smaller as the heat climbs!!

    yes the first few danglings were great turnouts with the heat… but that is when the passion was at a fever pitch… you know..you all were young and innocent…. but the tide has changed and it is not going to turn again!! no matter how many lies and stunts camerfrauk pulls!!!

  74. Walter says:

    You and the geezer hardly make a crowd.

  75. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    you are just not getting it are you? me and geez are not trying to form anything!!! i dont know his reasons for posting here…but i have made mine quite clear!!!

  76. Walter says:

    The best I can tell…Your out of crayons.

  77. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    walt- luckily for you ..amatuer night is monday’s at the improv!!! you can try out your one liners on those folks…i have to be honest…you are not very funny!!! what will get you some laughs is taking pictures of the last few sign danglings!! the lack of people at those protests will draw a roar from the crowd!! you can thank me later for the idea!!!

  78. Walter says:

    Why are you so interested in what I’m dangling? I’m not into that sort of thing.

    Someone from ATS told me that they have already laid off some people because of the petition drive. They see the writing on the wall. And are trying to save whatever they can. He does/did the install of the cameras. He Admits that he will have a job at least for a little while, taking the cameras back out.

    Funny thing was, Everyone on his softball team signed the petition.

  79. Law A.Bidingcitizen says:

    since you brought it up!!!! i doubt you have anything to dangle!! (snare drum… dah dah!!)

    walter… sorry. but i really dont believe a word that you write!!! red flex and ats while they may be watching from a distance.. i doubt that they are scared of camerafrauk and the work that a few of you are doing!!! besides..they make a nice profit if the contract gets canceled!!!

  80. FrankThoughts says:

    Everytime I view this site, it seems that “geez” and “law abiden” are all form and no substance – – i.e., you know what they’re going to say, before they start to type. Let the good people of Arizona sign the petition and let them vote on the proposition. If they vote to have cameras on every route, on every street, in every city, in the name of safety and governmental control of everyone, then they will not be able to “blame” the governor, the legislature, DPS or the foreign private (spying on the public) contracting firms – – the fame will be all their own. Sounds like a win-win for everyone, even the evil “twins” that fear a majority opinion.

  81. Law A.Bidingcitizen says:

    frank ..thanks for the thoughtful, kind words!!
    as for your suggestion … i am all for it.. first of all you folks will never get the sigs needed…. and i am confidant that if put to a vote the cameras will win out with a resounding 70% at the polls….. so lets have the legislature get it to the ballot and then you guys can stop wasting your time ( all 10 of you) collecting sigs!!!!

  82. geez says:

    Hilarious,
    Those who are pro camera oh MUST be from Redflex or ATS, but say those against the camera’s must be speeders and everyone here starts crying.
    Yes take it to the polls, some of you can’t even vote, some of you would have to take the buss becuase you can’t drive on a suspended license, and the others will be to busy in their moms basement doing bong hit’s to even care, LOL and the others will just stop at the bar on the way and completly forget. Go for it.

  83. Doc says:

    So, I spoke to Sam Crump on th’ phone yesterday. He said the bill’s got strong support in the legislature. HOWEVER, in my opinion, we still need to put it to a vote anyway. We can’t do that until 2010 anyway, so, to me it’s 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. But if we put it to a vote and WIN, which i believe we will, we can get things to go the way it did in Mississippi, which is really what we (opponents of scameras…) want to see done.

    Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

  84. Law A.Bidingcitizen says:

    doc.. putting all things aside.. i pose this serious question to you and any other anti camera folks…. if you can only get 20 people for protests… how do you expect to WIN at the ballot… there seems to be a lot pf people that just dont care about the cameras!!!!

  85. Doc, the ballot iniative must still go ahead to get the cameras out of our cities. The senate bill is only for state photo programs.

    LAB, photo enforcement has yet to survive a vote in the US. What makes you think Arizona will change that trend?

  86. Doc says:

    Photo-I agree 100%; I really just want the end run to be in line with the end run in Ole Miss. As a matter of fact, even IF the legislature does it’s thing—whatever that is—I personally STILL want it to be put to a vote of the people. So, please don’t take me wrong. I’m ALL for th’ vote, baby!! Bring that puppy on & let’s wrap this mess up.

    Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

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