Redflex Cameras to Watch Cameras


100_1477Like something out of a bad Stephen King novel, Redflex has the perfect solution to stop people from blocking their automated ticketing machines: more cameras!

Infuriated that the 24/7 video recorded by the main ticketing machines can be rendered ineffective with a simple Post It Note, Redflex has taken it upon themselves to install “cam cams.” These pictures were taken on the AZ51 southbound near Bethany 100_1476Home Road.

Of course, in their zeal to protect their revenue stream, they didn’t factor in that these cameras could easily be blocked with any number of objects, ideally gift-wrapped boxes carried by Santa Claus.

100_1475It’s unclear what part of the DPSRedflex contract authorizes Redflex to expand their capabilities into non-traffic related surveillance, but then again when you use illegal, non-certified devices to win a contract for unconstitutional revenue generation, laws be damned.

Welcome to Arizona: The Grand Canyon Surveillance State.

52 Responses to Redflex Cameras to Watch Cameras

  1. Mike says:

    Hahaha! What’s next? Cameras to monitor the cameras monitoring the cameras?

  2. Mike says:

    After looking at the pictures those look like they’re pointed at traffic and not at the cameras – at least from what I can tell. Are we sure they aren’t more automated license plate cameras like ATS just took down at Scottsdale a& McDowell?

  3. Glyph says:

    I’ve seen them. They’re pointed at the money-makers and not the traffic. Completely different type of camera as well.

  4. I’ve seen them too. Right down by the exit to Ernie’s house coincidentally. They are indeed watching the cameras.

  5. Joe says:

    Is it illegal to interfere with a camera that is NOT a traffic control device? I don’t think the CAM cams qualify. Interesting question.

  6. timmah says:

    Joe, none of the cameras are traffic control devices per the MUTCD.

    Meanwhile, post it notes (and blankets from Goodwill) sure are cheap!

  7. Glyph says:

    Good point Joe. One could conceivably bury those cameras with snow, silly string, and PostIt-notes and not be charged with anything significant. Certainly not Obstruction of Justice.

    Hmmmmmm…

  8. RPr says:

    thinking about investing in 3M stock LOL

  9. If the “damage” is under $200, the criminal damage statute is a misdemeanor.

  10. guttersn1pe says:

    Must be cool to have an unlimited supply of cameras and get to place them where ever you want.

  11. king says:

    mike: ill tell you whats next…
    us with paintball guns

  12. ((-_-)) whut'd_u_expect? says:

    People (who happen to get photo’d) need to know not to mail in any initial traffic camera citation, and to flat out ignore it, and why the are ignoring it. Although this empowering process has been covered on this site, it hasn’t been reviewed lately.
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  13. Stacey says:

    Schucks, they got caught with their live streaming video targeting drivers. That got them into some trouble.

    Now, they have found a new way to keep the man in line.

    How much crap are they allowed to put out on the highways? Who do you sue when you hit these poles in an accident?

  14. Nikki says:

    My boyfriend got flashed while driving my car. I haven’t sent back the form, but do I need to worry about it showing up on my driving history? Any advice would be great!!

    Oh, and thanks for all the good work here. These cameras need to go away, and DPS needs to do their job.

  15. Carolann says:

    Damnest thing ever. I had an older pick up truck take of the front end of my little honda, when he made an illegal right turn from the center lane, when the light was red.
    I clearly got the license plate number, and description of this truck as it sped onto the highway.

    The Police told me they could DO NOTHING, as I did not see the drivers face. And they closed the file.

    Now they want to mail tickets based on a license plate picture. Even if it was stolen, out of date and from a garbage pit, or taken to get revenge on a neighbor.

    This is double standards for revenue at it’s best.
    And shockingly partial revenue going to a private company across the country.
    No Way. We need Officer’s to do their jobs, as boring as their night may be.

  16. geez says:

    Nikki,
    Don’t worry about sending the form back, DPS will do their job😉

  17. dgpjr777 says:

    Carolann, The cameras also get a picture of the driver, in which case it is more than what you had, Correct ? Just because the cameras get your picture they still have to prove it was you,the same as in your case. Just because you got the plate, who do you expect the Police to charge if you could not ID the the person driving the truck. Sounds like you are talking double standards because you don’t like the cameras.

  18. geez says:

    RPr

    Do you ever say anything more intelligent then LOL

    blah blah blah one liner LOL
    incoherent i’m so funny LOL
    gurgle gurgle bong hit LOL
    this is my one liner for this post LOL
    cheeseburgers 2 for $1 at Bk LOL

  19. geez says:

    Thinking about investing in tinfoil LOL

  20. RPr says:

    geez,

    better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

    LOL!

  21. I'm Back says:

    Are we about done with these cameras yet? AZ is officially the butt of jokes AGAIN because of them.

    http://www.scottsdale-sucks.com/blog/?p=675

    Time to take my camera-free drive to work. At least I have that to hold on to.

  22. Mike says:

    Nikki, probably the best thing you can do is to send it back with the “it wasn’t me driving” box checked – you are under no obligation to identify the driver.

    Even if it was you driving – no, it doesn’t show up on your driving record. If you had the money you could get 1,000 tickets and it wouldn’t matter. Your insurance company would never find out.

  23. I'm Back says:

    I don’t like the cameras or the cameras that watch the cameras, but shouldn’t we have cameras that watch the cameras that watch the cameras? I would be in favor of those, but only if we eliminated the cameras and the cameras watching them.

  24. FrankThoughts says:

    Stacey, can you give me a cite/ source on when, where and how they got caught with their “live streaming video targeting drivers” and what trouble they got into over it? Thanks!

  25. Glyph says:

    Well, we got it straight from the horse’s mouth here

  26. Glyph says:

    But don’t take my word for it. See tyhe video here

    The pertinent info starts around 57:40, but the info you’re looking for (I’m talking to you FrankThoughts) is at 1:01:27

    Enjoy =)

  27. Mike says:

    Just passing by.Btw, your website have great content!

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    Making Money $150 An Hour

  28. Doc says:

    So my question is, AGAIN, when do OUR elected legislators step up & tell DPS to cease and decist? What’s the hold-up? Well, the partial answer is the legislators refusal to do business on any legislation untill they fix the budget. Fair enough. However, I believe that when a state law enforcement entity, in conjunction with a foriegn corporation, violates the citizens Constitutionally Guarenteed rights, they need to step in & handle the situation appropriately. I know we’ve got the ballot initiative going strong, & I think that’s great, but it seems to me that DPS is crossing the line. Somebody needs to put a reign on Cmdr Woodward & his children, ‘cuz this guy’s outta control…in my opinion.

    Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

  29. RPr says:

    all state legislators get elected thru clean elections funds

    15% of every photo radar ticket goes to clean elections.

    the will try to keep the money that gets them elected.

    Vote the bums out!

  30. RPr says:

    Judges in the state of Arizona are elected.

    constables are elected (they deliver photo radar tickets to your door)

    and many others just vote them out.

  31. Doc says:

    RPr-I must concur. I’m friends with several legislators, & I’m hard pressed to go along with your idea, but the end run of this situation is to refresh the electorate, fully. The fact that this, among other things, is ongoing, should be proof enuff. Please be aware however that revenue generation is, in my opinion, a side benefit of this totaliarian scheme. As I’ve stated previously, I firmly believe the citizens of Az were used as guinea pigs in a security test for Washington…the designer/instigator of this Orwellian mess is now the Director of Homeland Security…You do the math…Also remember the 9 scariest words FREEDOM loving Americans will ever hear are,”I’m from the government, I’m here to help you.”

    Remember… F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

  32. Doc says:

    I’ve never heard of this site before. How do they rate on th’ ‘ol “truth-o-meter”? If this is accurate, that’s strike 2 for frau j-no. She shot this idea down about 2 yrs ago…

  33. RPr says:

    got it from drudge report today lower right column

  34. Doc says:

    Pretty accurate…Thanks Man!

    Well, Iron Maiden sed it best…”RUN TOO TH’ HILLS…
    RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!”…or there’s always Plan B…Act like/Become a…Patriot. Stand up for your Rights, Liberty, & F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

  35. stacey says:

    Hi Doc, We met at theCapitol just before we got booted from the property. Anyway this past weekend some Biker guys stopped by my booth to let me know about somekind of a RUN that ends up at a bar..in Prescott,(Prescott Valley) They wanted me to be there to gather signatures..Do youknow when this is and do you already have it covered as far as gathering signatures? please advise as I will be glad to cover this if I can help. Thank You, It was nice Meeting You at the Capitol. ( I love hot rod cars too! I built a Factory Five Cobra a couple of years ago as well as many other Muscle cars so I understand your love for your hot rod) Stacey

  36. Doc says:

    Stacey-I’ve got to work this weekend, so, no, I unfortunately don’t have it covered. If you can, that would be FANTASTIC!

    It was great meetin’ you as well. Us fellow gear headz gotta’ stick 2gethr. I’m so sorry th’ folks that ran th’ event @ th’ capitol were a little inhospitable. I raised a little stink about it.

    Anyway, I don’t know where this run is headed or what it’s for. I’ll get th’ info & getback to you pronto!

    Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

  37. Stacey says:

    Ah, there are two of us here.

  38. FrankThoughts says:

    Thanks Glyph. Very helpful! You Arizonans may not be overly interested, but I’d like to know how much out of state “ticketing” has been done, although I’d imagine the great bulk of the ticketing is of those citizens in the greater Phoenix area.

  39. Steve says:

    Frank,

    The only tickets that I have seen are here (phoenix area and payson)including me! But the law allows for all arizona interstate so it will not be long before all the one horse towns will be using it for speed traps. The new on I noticed is in Payson which used to use a cop and a radar gun…now photo radar. The is one street that actually has 3 within a one mile stretch… just incredable.

  40. FrankThoughts says:

    I hear you Steve. It’s nice that Arizona residents can contest the tickets. It’s virtually impossible for an out of state person to contest, since one has to appear “in court” in person. So, I guess the message to travellers who want to pass through any state using the “speed photo enforcement machines” is: “Stay Out!” OR travel through well below the speed limits, i.e., “TO KEEP YOUR MONEY IN YOUR POCKET, DRIVE VERY SLOWLY AND KNOW WHAT IS THE MINIMUM SPEED ALLOWABLE!”

  41. Glyph says:

    Frank,

    I’m no lawyer, but the consensus here in AZ is that out-of-state drivers may be at an advantage when it comes to these photo enforcement tickets. If you get flashed, they send you a notice. If you sign it and return it, then you’ve basically waived your right to service. If you don’t respond, then the court has 120 days from the time of the complaint to have you served by a process server. Y’see, these ‘tickets’ are civil, and not criminal complaints (except in cases of criminal speeding), so a different set of rules apply.

    Unless Redflex and DPS contract with process servers in the out-of-state driver’s area, they should be able to ignore it, and it’ll go away in 4 months.

  42. Word on the street is that they don’t both to serve out-of-state or even out-of-area tickets. They will send a violation of notice to see if they will get any easy money.

  43. FrankThoughts says:

    Wow! Thanks good people. Nice to just not respond huh? Thanks again.

  44. Steve says:

    The camera’s capture video to determine if there was a reason for the speed violation, such as the truck behind you was going to run you over or you had to speed up to get out of a situation. They provide 30 seconds of video before and after the “violation” to determine if there was a reason to speed. No one is watching the video for any other purpose. This is the truth people, not any other conspiracy theory that you might come up with.

  45. I'm Back says:

    Thanks Steve. We’ll all make sure to never question authority again. You’d have a much better case if AT$ didn’t hide the fact that ANPR was being used at Scottsdale and McDowell. There’s also the little issue of Redflex taking 24/7 video from their fixed locations. Are you sure you know what you’re talking about?

  46. Glyph says:

    @Steve: It might help to read the entire thread before posting assertions that were already addressed a couple weeks ago.

    Back on the 1st of this month, I posted a link on this thread to video of DPS’ Commander Woodward stating before a House Committee that the video had been viewed after the fact in investigation of other ‘crimes.’

    Again, here’s the link to the video, again, you’ll find what you’re looking for at 1:01:27.

    Thanks for joining us Steve.

  47. Law A.Bidingcitizen says:

    steve.. they really dont like it when you make sense!!

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