Sheriff Paul Babeu on KJZZ


Babeu

“This is more about revenue…”

Sheriff Paul Babeu of Pinal County takes on the issue of photo enforcement with KJZZ’s Steve Goldstein.

Click here for the audio clip.

31 Responses to Sheriff Paul Babeu on KJZZ

  1. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    this guy may be camera frauds buddy but he reminds me of a young sheriff joe, if joe was ever that young…
    my cousin is a sheriff in another county in this state.. i will have to find out what he knows about joe jr.

  2. Patricia says:

    I think they are dangerous people slow down and speed up rather then just doing a nice flow of traffic on the freeway. Put them up on intersections where they have a lot of accidents, we don’t need them. Why should a third party be making money off of these.

  3. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    it is cheaper for the state to contract it out.. for every employee the state hires comes wages, benefits etc.. and then there is camera installation and up keep… much easier to let a private company handle it ….. really patricia its simple… do the speed limit and then there is no need to slow down and speed up…. the flow of traffic now seems to be whatever the hell someone wants it to be.. with very little regard for others…

  4. Bennichs says:

    Law A. Bidingcitizen, you said “do the speed limit and then there is no need to slow down and speed up.”
    I believe Patricia is also referring to the speed limit increases and decreases that went in affect since the boom of highway photo enforcement. The 51 freeways is a very good example of this.

  5. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    i know exactly what she is talking about and i disagree… i am sure that there is some of that going on…. its natural… but as people learn where the fixed cameras are what little of that going on will decrease… that also is natural…..

  6. jgunn says:

    Except people still jam on their brakes even IF they are doing the PSL (posted speed limit). There are times that I don’t blame people as the speed limits change so much that unless you put all your attention on the speed limit signs, you are going to miss one and not know the limit. I prefer to keep track of surrounding traffic but if DPS would like everyone to pay more attention to speed limit signs then so be it. I don’t mind much as my GPS camera locator tells me what the speed limit is when a camera is coming up so I can be sure and be compliant. The mobile vans can be anywhere and at least once on the 143 I was unawares whether the PSL was 55 o4 45 so I did the prudent thing and mashed on the brakes to get down from 60 to 45 just in case. It’s safer mashing on the brakes and avoiding a ticket than being sorry. I feel sorry for the poor souls behind me as my car can scrub off speed faster than most cars.

  7. kandaris says:

    The most important issue here is the proposed trade for debatable traffic safety gains in exchange for our civil liberties. This is not about the” right to speed” but the more complex issue of 24/7 government surveillance, and an overbearing level of self-righteousness on the part of our civil servants. This is not a far reaching conspiracy theory, or a tin foil hat issue. This is real digital video taken of non-offending citizens that has been admittedly collected by DPS, and is stored for an undetermined amount of time. This is our courts ignoring or finding ways to circumvent due process and the constitution in the interest of expediency, and yes in the interest of revenue generation. It’s a continuous degradation in attitude at all levels of government to shift the burden of due process to the citizen instead of the way it was designed, for the burden to be on the agency making whatever claim. It turns the citizen into a servant of government instead of the true design of our government serving the people. All of the other issues are actually ancillary to this, though all of the other con-camera issues are indeed valid. It is often difficult to motivate citizens to stand up for their rights because as I have seen throughout my life there has been a gradual erosion of personal responsibility to protect or rights. Instead we have all learned to just “shut up and take it”, but its not just that, its also a high degree of complacency on all of our parts to “just let somebody else take care of it” and of course that’s exactly what we get, government “taking care of it” and overstepping its mandate while stepping on our rights. Now do I think that this video is being used to oppress or harass law abiding citizens today? The honest answer is no I do not, however once we set the precedent of allowing recordings to made of law abiding citizens which can be misused later, and we accept more and more cameras, and we accept the circumvention of due process in the interest of correcting budget problems we will never be able to go back. If this type of attitude and exception to our most basic rights becomes the norm the United States and the US Constitution are doomed. The way we work, and the ONLY way we work as a nation of laws is if ALL of our laws are enforced equally without exception to bureaucratic circumvention without the attitude that the ends justifies the means. This is the real issue and anyone who doubts it refuses to see the writing on the wall and ignores history at his or her own peril and to the peril of us all. Exchange my rights for traffic safety? On the scales of value and true justice… there is no question as to which way they lean.

  8. Dan G says:

    Just drive the speed limit…. and hope that the camera doesn’t malfunction…. Or hope that your car wasn’t being pimped by someone with a grudge…. Or hope that an idiot doesn’t fly by you and the camera at the same time….

    And if you are innocent and still get flashed, let’s hope you can remember the exact details of a ticket that comes about 6 weeks after the event of which you probably weren’t aware of since you were….
    just driving the speed limit.

    Thanks for the trolling lawabinding.

  9. Glyph says:

    Another reason the cameras are contracted is that the state knows they are unconstitutional and doesn’t want to deal with all the legal challenges. It’s one thing for the camera companies to break the law, and the state can feign ignorance/stupidity, then say something like “We didn’t know of/approve that!”

    But if the State breaks the law, I imagine there’s be a round of inquiries, impeachments, and eventualy, some arrests.

  10. BJ says:

    I’m listening to this KJZZ recording of the interview, and I can’t believe how slanted towards the camera system this recording is. They didn’t play any of the recordings of those who spoke against it. Instead they played multiple clips of the one resident who spoke for the cameras. The DJ was also fighting for the cameras with their questions.

    I’m totally disappointed, but I shouldn’t be that surprised, considering the source.

  11. Joe says:

    It’s not so much the cameras they fight for, but to protect a Napolitano policy.

  12. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    kandaris… hey i think the gettin out is still good… you know… before they wont let you go to the airport or fly for that matter…. listen russia is a great place to visit this time of year.. see you.. take some tin foil with you… its very expensive there…. you know…. for the windows!!!

    sorry bj…. not everyone as yuo guys like to believe is anti camera.. but why dont you send glyph over with his camera… you know… shake them up a little!!! that will teach em!!!

  13. Bennichs says:

    Law A. Bidingcitizen, comments like that do nothing for your argument. Sorry.

  14. Sick of Government says:

    You know, since he thinks russia is such a great place to visit, maybe he should just move there. After all, he has no issue having the government track him for no good reason.

  15. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    spinach

    … thanks… but i was not interested in your opinion….

    sick.. no i like having my freedom repressed here.. you however, i think you need a wake up call… you and many of your buddies here…

  16. Dan G says:

    lawabiding, just how do you imagine your ‘freedom’ is being repressed here? Us posting back to you with contrary opinions is NOT repression. You being NOT allowed to make your own website and post your own opinions IS repression.

    You have the freedom of speech. You do NOT have the right to NOT be pissed off by someone else’s speech.

    Glad I could clear that up. IMHO, you are still a redflex troll…

  17. Dan G says:

    BTW, we’ve invited you to make your pro-camera website repeatedly, to no avail…

  18. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    dan- thanks but i will pass on the offer . it was made in jest on my part in the first place..

    dan- i just assumed that my freedoms were shrinking baed on what you guys claim here…. is that now not the case?

  19. Dan G says:

    Of course not. Your (our) freedom is being repressed outside w/the cameras, not here. You specifically said “here” so I naturally assumed “here” on this website as to where the oppression occurred. My mistake…

  20. I hope you all weren’t driving the speed limit yesterday in those crazy storms we were having, because, of course, a safe and reasonable speed depends on a lot more things than the sign on the road. Weather is a big factor, traffic and congestion, time of day, and also the car or truck you’re driving makes quite a difference. And a fresh teenager in a rusty pickup, isn’t going to have the same effective safe speed as a skilled driver in a BMW. There is no single safe number. That’s why you see cops (marked and unmarked) always driving well over the posted speed limit. A loaded 18 wheeler going 70 or 80 MPH down the 51 might be a scary thought, but not if it’s a motorcycle or sportscar. Cops do it every day.

    If you’re going down the I-10 at 3AM on a motorcycle with no traffic around and you’re going 85 MPH, I don’t care what RedFlex, or Phoenix, or any other law enforcer says, you’re not causing a harm or danger to anyone and you’re not committing a crime. Especially if you’re an experienced driver, and you know the roads.
    And no one will deny that if there wasn’t money involved, you’d be left alone and *EVERYONE* would be happy~

  21. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    sorry- i have yet to see anything but assholes in BMW’s and certainly not skilled drivers…. ill ride in the truck thanyou!!!

  22. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    dan- you boys here make the arguments that the cameras are somehow repressing your rights… it is one of your most used arguments at this site…. dont twist it now… it appears that you are tryig to spin the words.. repressed at this site means i get banned ..

  23. FrankThoughts says:

    Dan G. and Law A. Biden (Joe),
    Are the two of you saying that the cameras (operators) can flash you and track you and take your picture, regardless of whether you are over the speed limit or not, and that someone in an office somewhere may be looking at what you are doing that is outside the scope of traffic management and public safety (outside of DUI, Hit and Run, no seatbelt, kidnapping, etc.)?

  24. PhotoRadarScam says:

    That is right Frank. Redflex employees have months and/or years of video stored up and they can view it for any reason at any time. It’s also possible and probable that you could subpoena the video from them if you had a legal situation that required it.

  25. Doc says:

    Members-As we all know from Cmdr Thomas Woodward of Az DPS, you DO NOT have to be flashed for the scameras to record your passing of it. Using Military grade tracking technology, (which is Un-Constitutional in & of itself!) not only does it record your speed, time, & date, it still gets a shot of your face, & your plate. This information, according to the Cmdr, is kept for 90 days. The info is kept in Redflex’s data base. Since it is their data, they own the rights to it, & have access to it @ any given time.

    So, kandaris, your post of 02/09 was, in my opinion, informative & absolutely correct. Now, the questions are; What are Redflex & DPS doing with the collected data? Are they being truthful about the 90 days? We have reason to believe not; The tracking data has been going on for MONTHS, admittedly behind our backs! The Show Low contract says that THEIR data will be on file & avail. for 5(FIVE) years. Un-Constitutional? You Bet!

    Unfortunately, I was reading on another site involving 2nd Ammendment rights that barely 1% of all gun owners would actually respond to a confiscation threat, such as the one in New Orleans before “Katrina”. Lots of people talk a big talk, especially on the web. But, according to this article, few are willing to walk the walk.

    Sherriff Babeu is an experienced Law Enforcement Officer. I know this from talking to him personally. New Orleans P.D. were ordered by Mayor Ray Nagan to perform the illegal weapons confiscations. The “sheeple” cops there, along with the crooked ones, gladly complied. Sherriff Babeu is a L.E.O. who’ll remember that we are in America, & I believe that were this man be put in that same situation, The Rights of the Citizens under his watch would prevail. I COULD be wrong, but that’s not what my gut tells me. Cmdr Woodward however; My gut tells me that he’d side with Mayor Nagan. Again, I COULD be wrong, but unfortunately, I don’t believe I am, & his actions regarding photo radar prove me out.

    So, to conclude, the questions are up for your consideration. Consider this as well. Arizona legislators, last year overwhelmingly passed a resolution outlawing personal firearms confiscation in this state in the event of a natural or man-made disaster. Governor Napalitano swiftly vetoed the measure. The whole scamera thing was her idea, (under the guise if revenue generation…I believe there is a much more nefarious plan in her mind.) Governor Napalitano is now Secretary of Homeland Security Napalitano…Think about it, &
    Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc from Prescott

  26. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    thats a lie frank..scam is lieing and has no conscience as he does it… the footage is held for 90 days and sccording to dps it is for review in case an accident is caught on film…. listen to these guys long enough and you will think the feds are going to come busting your door down!!!

    F R E E D O M from the L I E S

  27. No One says:

    Frank– just to clarify– it is known for a fact that they archive this for a minimum of 90 days. That much is not in dispute. The upper limit, however, is not clear. It may be 90 days, it may be never– that piece has not to my knowledge ever been publicly stated.

  28. FrankThoughts says:

    Thanks PhotoRadar, Doc, and No One, and certainly hats off to you. I appreciate your depth of information with facts and thorough analysis of ramifications (vision) versus the attitude of just finger-pointing with mind-boggling assumptions and blind acceptance of state policy which is being exhaustively debated at the highest levels of government and private entities.

  29. Doc says:

    Now check out HR45, the Blair Holt firearms lic. & record of sale act. Then check out the reintroduction of the “Fairness Doctrine” by a Michigan Senator. Pathetically, photo radar & the tracking of U.S. Citizens is just another item on the totalitarian grocery list. May GOD help us!
    Remember…F R E E D O M ! ! !-Doc

    P.S.-Hats off to you as well, FrankThoughts! Your legitamite participation on this site is appreciated!

  30. Hey L.A. Biding have you seen the cars your bosses drive? Those assholes drive some fast little racers! I think the trucks are just used for hauling all the money they make~

  31. Law A. Bidingcitizen says:

    vamp- i dont have a boss

    frank… sorry to see you have slipped to the dark side…..

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