Delays, Technical Problems Plague Redflex Rollout


DPSRedflex’s attempts to fleece the driving public of Arizona seem to hitting some bumps in the road.

South-Scottsdale cameras targeting the Loop 101 at Indian School and McDowell are nowhere to be seen, almost two months after their expected deployment on October 22.

Westbound US-60 cameras were some of the first to be installed, but are still either turned off or have lens caps covering their fraudulent little eyes. Auxiliary flash units, mounted on existing light poles in the median, still show exposed wiring left to be done.

Lets also not forget the magical ability of DPS to spin a failure into a success: out of 166,176 “activations” since September 26, only 40,401 resulted in “notices of violation.” (It’s also noteworthy to point out that the extortion letters mailed out are not called “tickets” or “citations” by DPS, but rather “notices.” Don’t waive your rights: make them send a process server)

The question begs to be asked: if the cameras are so gosh darn perfect, why is it that the data received from them only resulted in 1 out of 4 being sent a notice? Faulty or inaccurate sensors? Corrupt data streams? Inadmissible chains of evidence? Or all of the above?

26 Responses to Delays, Technical Problems Plague Redflex Rollout

  1. Helldigger says:

    http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=3478

    From Tucson:

    “Just another reason why speed cameras are not working out. We’ve heard that some people are wearing face masks of the opposite gender, so if they get a speed camera ticket in the mail, they can object to the picture since it’s the wrong gender. So far we’ve heard the only verified way to get out of one of the tickets is to indicate that the person in the photo can’t be you – opposite gender works. For example, this mask below works for women or younger men and only costs $16.99. ”

    RedFlex is tweaking the camera angles and sharpening up the pixels. We can expect that 1 in 4 citation to increase as they work the BUGS out.

    Be prepared, slow down. Deny them this scam.

    http://sonoranalliance.com/?p=3478

  2. hooleyboy says:

    “extortion letter” Well said! that is exactly what it is.

  3. azmojo says:

    The public should be outraged at the failure of these systems. under 25% is pathetic, which means that 75% of violators are unticketable. Who are the people who are ticketable? Those driving their own cars with uncovered plates and uncovered faces. Everyone else gets a pass.

  4. James says:

    I’d like to see all of those statistics be made publicly available. If we can’t compel a bolted-to-the-ground machine to testify in court, we should have full access to the statistical data that would speak to it’s accuracy. I think a 75% “bogus” to 25% “valid” ratio is more than enough to mount a decent defense if one were ever to fight such a citation.

  5. jgunn says:

    On the I17 to work today in the 55 zone, saw the little yellow signs for photo enforcement. Slowed to the 55 limit in in anticipation of the scam van. Valentine 1 starts alerting and I see the van. People driving slow (IMHO) in the right lane are getting flashed. I slow to >45< before I get to the scam van. People in the right lane are still getting flashed and they are not pulling ahead of me even at 45! I swear I was the same speed as them at 45. How fricken slow do we have to go to not get a ticket? I know radar is not accurate, but that’s ridiculous. From now on I am going 10MPH under the limit when the scam vans are on the side of the road. I wish all the cronies on azcentral saying “no speed-no ticket” the best of luck. The best thing is the camera lovers will eventually all be on our side! (unless they love that 200$ ticket in the mail as much as they love the cameras)

  6. azmojo says:

    Here’s one for you. There was a scam van at approx. 35th Ave & 101 Westbound today. We got on the 101 on the 27th ave on ramp. There were no speed limit signs between the ramp and the van. What speed were we supposed to go? 55 or 65?

    Shouldn’t there have to be a posted limit before you issue tickets?

  7. AZ ATTORNEY says:

    more importantly, azmojo, the ramp issue will be relevant to those entering photo enforcement zones (PEZ?) AFTER the PEZ signs but before the van.

    State law requires two signs be places… these folks get no notice of speed limit or the fact they’re entering a PEZ

  8. Evapilot says:

    Off topic…but I’m curious. Does this site plan on creating a different proposition for the photo radar ban in 2010? I heard there is a shady deal being made right now where they want to increase the ticket offense to 20+ over. I don’t necessarily trust that. What will stop the state into decreasing the speeds just so they can get some easy money?! Along with potentially “upgrading” the cameras to give out fines for the smaller offenses like seat belts, talking on the phone, etc…(Which I think is more dangerous than going 10mph over.) I prefer if the proposition was a 100% BAN on the cameras. Don’t give us a watered down version, because we all know that we can’t trust the criminal money hungry politicians of this state!!!

  9. ScameraActivist says:

    No watered down version. Were gonna give you a real initiative.

  10. James says:

    Ditto on Evapilot. Not only should we have a proposition to tear down the cameras, but we should include a provision to commission a sculptor to take the resulting scrap metal and create a permanent reminder to Napolitano’s blunder. Of course, that money should come from the camera revenue already collected.

    Actually, the proposition should be far reaching enough to outlaw the random recording of our movements within the state in areas that are not “secure” places like airport parking lots, border crossings, etc. I do not mind if a bank security guard writes down my plate number as I enter their parking garage, but I do have a problem with my daily movements being tracked by state law enforcement and stored for “potential” future use.

  11. Hellldigger says:

    http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/fromcomments/104473.php

    Pima County wants an extra $8 on each photo-radar ticket.

    December 05, 2008, 8:53 p.m.

    GARRY DUFFY
    Tucson Citizen

    “Speeders would be hit with an additional $8 charge for tickets generated by Arizona Department of Public Safety cameras on interstates under a proposal to go to the Pima County Board of Supervisors Tuesday.”

    It seems Pima County needs additional revenue to process all the court costs, or the way I see it, they want their piece of the pie.

    If the state is already scamming the public, why not the counties and municipalities.

    It’s just not fair that the state gets all this free money, the Counties are holding out their hand too. Where will it end?

    Rip off the public in ever increasing ways and soon, the public pushes back.

  12. James says:

    It won’t end until we end it.

    January 16th. The Arizona day of “going slow”.

    On January 16th, I will drive no faster than 35 MPH (with my headlights on) on Valley freeways. When I approach a speed camera, I’ll slow that down to 25 MPH.

    No one will save more lives (and more dollars) than me. I’ll be as safe as Napolitano wishes, thanfully.

    Who will join me?

  13. James says:

    BTW, the issue passed today in Pima County. An extra $8.00

  14. Some Troll says:

    I don’t think many of you consider the statistics of why 1 out of 4 incidents are made into a notice. You have to consider the many many many variables of why something might be tossed…For instance: Another vehicle blocking the violating vehicle, Plate is rubbed out to the extent that you can’t even recognize the state (these people should get the illegible plate read fine…$110 in Scottsdale as I recall.), Big ball hitches or multiple ball hitches, Motorcycles covering their plates like idiots, No plate on the vehicle or plate is in a vehicle that has dark tint (yet another fine if an officer sees it and happens to stop you), Sun glare in certain parts of the day which make it more difficult to see who is behind the wheel, well that is as much as I can think up, I compiled all this for an interesting persuasive essay on why cameras are so great! Have a nice day!

  15. Evapilot says:

    Good…the less money that redflex fleeces from society, the better!

  16. James says:

    you forgot:

    • Vaseline obscuring the window of the camera unit

    • People using the flash units as places to hang their wet towels so they’ll dry faster

    • Camera units that flash when no violation has occured

  17. I’m really sick and tired of all these photo cameras that take and invade your privacy!
    I strongly believe that the Govenor and DPS want these cameras so they can pocket the money for themselves and that’s just WRONG!!!! I’ve never seen so many cameras pop up all over the city and whenever I slow down or jam on my brakes because of the ‘photo enforcement zone’, I’ve got alot of vehicles behind me that almost slam into the back of my vehicle, flip me off or honk their horns at me. Now, do you call this SAFE???!!! I don’t think so. Furthermore, they keep adjusting the speed limits all over the valley…..55 here 65 there, then 55 again. Make up your freaking mind of what the damn limit is and stay consistent!! You know that ADOT and DPS are trying to take our money for any violation and especially when this economy is so bad with unemployment and other crisis. Governor Napolitano, I’ve heard that you signed a bill to install 300 more cameras in the state of arizona which this city/state DOESN’T NEED!! When you go to DC, take these damn cameras with you!!!! Your bad news and a bad decision maker!!!

  18. dgpjr777 says:

    I LOVE THEM AND HOPE THEY KEEP THEM ALL. mAYBE SOME OF YOU IDIOTS WILL SLOW DOWN AND DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT.

  19. SMARTDRIVER says:

    IT IS OBVIOUS THAT REVENUE IS THE BOTTOM LINE. HOW CAN WE COMPLY WITHOUT KNOWING A NEW SPEED LIMIT IN THE “REDUCED SPEED ” AREAS. IF YOU SHOULD HAPPEN TO GLANCE DOWN OR AWAY AND MISS THE SPEED SIGNS – THEN FLASH-GOTCHA. WHY DO THEY NOT HANG THE CORRECT SPEED ON THE 3 “PEZ” SIGNS PRIOR TO THE CAMERA TO GIVE US A FAIR CHANCE TO KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD BE DRIVING. WHY—BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO PAY-PAY-PAY…ACCIDENTS AND SAFETY – NOT THE REASON.
    WE DRIVE ON RT 51 SOUTHBOUND— BRAKE LIGHTS AT EACH OF THE 3 AREAS JUST TO BE CAUTIOUS IS HAZARDOUS AND WE WATCH FOR THAT MORE THAN THE CAMERA.
    LOVE THE IDEA OF THE “SLOW” DRIVE DAY,,,LET’S DO IT…..

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